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I like Partnerlogic. Complete detail by player.
This has been weighting heavy on my mind for a long time….bcuz
History:
I’ve been webmastering since ’96
Joined gambling programs in ’01
Got sick – and I’m just now back in the game.What the hell happened???
I had been in the Adult Entertainment biz. Every single program gives you referrals in their stats. Actual url’s of where the click comes from.
This question and my point to this post is this:
The question in this thread was:
“Out of all the Poker and Sportsbook affiliate programs” etc
Let’s expand that to:
Out of all the affiliate programs listed on this site – Who offers the best Stats.
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I am absolutely bullshit to see – that in so many years of progress in this Industry – not a single Program that I promote has referral stats.
What the hell is wrong with affiliates – that you haven’t demanded that stats that show – where the click came from is illustrated in your stats.
Some of you meet together with Sponsors at conventions etc.
Why have you not demanded that – at minimum – one gets to see – where and what url the hits come from?????
The majority of programs that I have joined since November 2005 – look like their Stats come from a ‘Cracker Jack’ box.
You mean to tell me – that this Industry allows – firms – to open up Affiliate Programs – cookie cut and/or get out of the box – an affiliate tracking program – and the affiliate is just supposed to sit back – and say – Oh-Thank You so much for accepting me – and I accept your dumb stats.
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I joined one program here in December and their Stats say:
BANNER CLICKS
WTF does that mean.
I don’t promote them anymore.
I put up their affiliate banner for recruiting new affiliates – tier 1 whatever
You mean to tell me – that I’m supposed to sit back and accept “banner clicks” not knowing who and where the clicks are coming from. And they don’t even segregate tier 1 clicks from referrals coming from banners for the casino program.
Something is wrong in this Industry and I don’t understand how you don’t demand that referring tracking is performed.
I’ll skate by for now. I’ll even purchase exit software. The programs that say – set up your tracking of your banner ads is bullshit – you know it….
They just won’t supply url’s of the referrals. Having a Campaign is fine.
Give us some url’s of where the hits are coming from. Not just our websites and our campaigns.
Great post, YouBetToWin.
I would love to see referral URLs in the stats. Obviously it can be done — it is as simple as collecting the “referer” information with a script and inserting it into a database. I track all of my referral links so that I can locate my best-converting pages, but not all affiliates have the time or energy to do something like this. Affiliates shouldn’t have to, either. They should concentrate on marketing, not on writing their own tracking code because the tracking on the end of the affiliate program isn’t as good as it could be.
I am signed up with a few programs that show you the “Top 10 Referring URLs.” One program that does this is Wager Profits (SciFi Casino and Breakaway Casino). If you promote poker, check out ShareTheRake.com (Superior Poker and Share the Rake). They show you the Top 10 URLs too.
I believe there are a few programs that collect the referral URL, but don’t show it to you in the stats. I’m not sure why they would do this… why collect it if you aren’t going to share it?
In the future I’d like to see more programs that show you the referring URLs — more than just the Top 10, too. Any program that makes the referral URLs available would probably enjoy a lot more exposure and trust from affiliates.
“Any program that makes the referral URLs available would probably enjoy a lot more exposure and trust from affiliates.”
Until ALL affiliates DEMAND that they receive referring url’s in their stats
This Industry will remain a Fraud.
Engineer – you can create your own. You have the talent.
I guess that I could go to HotScripts and figure something out.
It should not be on affiliates shoulders to figure out referrals.
Are there not anyone here from the Adult Industry that knows – that the common practice – is to include referrals in Stats?
Why has the Gambling Industry escaped for so long the OBLIGATION – to provide referring url stats.
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I’m shooting my dick off for this….
But somebody has to ask the question and somone should answer this.
And don’t tell me that it costs too much money.
That’s bollucks…and you know it.
100% agreed. I would promote the shit out of an affiliate program who showed me the type of statistics that almost any other affiliate program in any other industry has.
Sorry, i deleted this because it was mentioned above.
kwblue
Kudos for saying:
“I would promote the shit out of an affiliate program who showed me the type of statistics that almost any other affiliate program in any other industry has.”
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My feelings exactly.
I wonder.
Who is going to be the first Sponsor – to step up to the plate?
Who of you – has the balls to step forward and create the program that will show referral url’s.
If you do…You will have many, many people – jump onboard.
You know.
Th commissions don’t mean that much to me. It’s the trust. Baby
actyper wrote:I like Partnerlogic. Complete detail by player.I don’t bash cap members but Partnerlogic isn’t one. I fell into a shill trap ….and tried their program after reading some posts in the forum. They were bogus posts by shameless people.
I also like their stat reports but not what they contain.
Steer clear and you’ll be richer by far …guaranteed a dishonest company.
…. but I’m not bitter.
Great thread!
Look, the reality is most (not all) casino affiliate programs can’t even distinguish a spider from an actual visitor and you want them to parse the reffering URL out of the referral string? LOL!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
That might require like 2 lines of code, man. What are you nuts?
All kidding aside, if one, just one program could give us referring URLs and real time FINANCIAL stats, I would drop every program on my sites in a day and promote the hell out of them.
I seem to be in the minority when I say this, but I would prefer a poorer performing affiliate program that gives 100% accurate detailed stats than one with a higher bottom line. The reason? Because this information is more valuable , to me, than money in terms of what it would tell me about my marketing efforts and how I would then be able to capitalize on this information.
The level of information we currently receive from these programs is actually hindering us from doing our jobs!
Voodooman – You are a Scholar
In the one sentence that I tried to create – you summarized it all in your one paragraph.
“I seem to be in the minority when I say this, but I would prefer a poorer performing affiliate program that gives 100% accurate detailed stats than one with a higher bottom line. The reason? Because this information is more valuable, to me, than money in terms of what it would tell me about my marketing efforts and how I would then be able to capitalize on this information.”
And Voodooman – you are not in the minority on this.
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I am stepping on my dick again here – not the first time in my 10 years on the Net – But –
many people – just don’t give a shit. They are comfortable in their comfort level of income – and – HEY !!! Don’t Ruffle The Feathers.And that’s Bull. There is no reason why we have to accept the “status quo”
If you are American – you write your Congressman when you have a beef.
We have been walked over for many years without a voice carrying our message of reform of affiliate stats.
And the people – who would gain the most by saying nothing – remain – saying Nothing.
This is a debate – not bashing. Because if you consider it bashing – then I’m bashing all sectors of the Industry. And if so – maybe – it’s about time.
What is “CAP Spring Break 2006 in Miami Beach!”
Is that a place where you meet with and mingle with affiliates and Program Operators that pay all of us?
My question is:
And I hope that I’m not Bashing anyone……I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings.
But has the question ever come up to the Sponsors [the people who run these programs]
Has the question ever come up? Where are are referral url stats? And when will we see them?While you are sitting around having cocktails. Ask
Yes – I’ve been to Adult Conventions in Vegas. Yes – we ask questions.
And Yes – they answer the questions.
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And don’t forget;
TheTouthouse asked
“Out of all the Poker and Sportsbook affiliate programs, who would you say has the best statistics provided to their affiliates?”
Come to the plate…and answer his question.
Yes… While affiliates ‘sip drinks and fraternize’ we do ask these questions. And, I believe that some of these same issues have even been raised on CAP.
I would love to hear from some of the larger affiliates who have pushed for better statistics.
However, the main problem in our industry is this… (IMO):
We are dealing with affiliate programs who deal with Casino Properties who deal with Casino Software Providers. That convolution is wherein the problem lies.
First, in the fact that many of the Casino Software Providers do not provide as meaningful of statistics to their Affiliate Programs as they should. The affiliate programs themselves, then do not feel that they can do anything about it and do nothing to improve upon it from the banner side of things (like tracking referral urls)
NOW – what we need is some honest answers from the top affiliates who have pushed this concept (better stats, better tracking) to certain affiliate programs and what their response is.
I’m just gald to know there are other people who feel the same way about this.
I know some other folks on here who only care about the BOTTOM LINE and that is important, don’t get me wrong, but I think being provided with the kinds of things you are talking about, BetToWin, would be much MORE beneficial to our bottom line in the long run.
I would love to know where my players originated from. When I first got into this business a year or so ago, understanding the conversion trail was key in my mind for creating a long-standing business.
I’ve installed stats to tell me how my site visitors arrived at my site, and on our end we capture click-thru data to know which sites our users have clicked through to…However, I have a 2600 page site with links to 900+ gambling sites all throughout our pages, it would be extremely valuable for me to know which pages on our site are converting well and which are not, then I can shift the marketing/content/seo emphasis accordingly. This would help me to make more money obviously, but would also help the affiliate program that can provide that type of information.
So, thanks for bringing the isue up YouBetToWin, hopefully something can get done here.
Until someone steps up to the plate.
And I’m not going to let this subject rest…..or get buried….
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I’m NOT affiliated with this website…but I found it of interest
xhttp://casinoaffiliatefrauds.com/
“How Casino Affiliates get cheated – Casino Affiliate Frauds….”
“Most affiliate programs don’t track the sales at all.”
xhttp://casinoaffiliatefrauds.com/casinoaffiliate/CasinoAffiliate1/CasinoAffiliate_5.shtml
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Who will be the first Program to step up to the plate and discuss – providing referral url stats.
I’m not going away on this issue.
There is actually a company out there that says:
“Banner Clicks”
That’s All – That’s It.
That’s what they say for Stats…..Banner Clicks
No Date. No time frame. No Period. No Nothing.
And your monies get deposited into “their” program. And then you can withdraw it – FROM – their Gambling Program.
They don’t give you a choice like:
check – wire – NETeller
You know who you are!!!
