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Interesting topic… I worked in Coyote Creek Casino as a minor doing internal audit and their computer systems. (land based casino)
It’s an interesting topic, but I am defo on the side of ‘good luck to them’. If they have taken the initiative of trying to make their own way in the world at such a young age, then they deserve a bit of respect. Many people that age wouldn’t even consider working!
Legal side – a bit grey, but then isn’t pretty much everything when it comes to on-line gambling?
I think we are all confusing two different toppics here..
The question was should they be allowed to promote.. not should they be allowed to gamble.. looking back to the polls thread.. I’m pretty sure there are alotta folks here promoting, that don’t gamble at all.
If they are promoting, then the only laws I can see that they are breaking, are the same laws the rest of us keep an eye on every day..
If they are playing, then they are breaking a law.. yet, they are minors, so they only risk being tried as a minor..(if in the US) and having a minor record (the kind that politely disapears upon request as soon as you become an adult)
LadyHoldem wrote:I think we are all confusing two different toppics here..The question was should they be allowed to promote.. not should they be allowed to gamble.. looking back to the polls thread.. I’m pretty sure there are alotta folks here promoting, that don’t gamble at all.
If they are promoting, then the only laws I can see that they are breaking, are the same laws the rest of us keep an eye on every day..
If they are playing, then they are breaking a law.. yet, they are minors, so they only risk being tried as a minor..(if in the US) and having a minor record (the kind that politely disapears upon request as soon as you become an adult)
The actual question was, should he sell banner space to this person who mysteriously said he was 16.
I don’t really see why he even mentioned his age unless there was some payment issue about why he didn’t have whatever form of payment requested (can you have neteller that young?). That alone would make me not do the deal, if that is what happened…just from a bad gut feeling.
Anyway, if there were no payment issue…I don’t see what the big deal is. I can’t remember any PPC SE that makes you agree to being 21 before advertising on gambling keywords? Or even a domain parking sponsor? Same thing really.
To save speculation is probably best to post the events that took place up to me finding out this guy had a 16 year old business partner.
I got an email from a webmaster saying he was interested in my banner space, but would I consider doing a 3 month option. He’d (no mention of anyone else) just started a couple of sites and was lean on cash. Thinking I’d be giving the guy a break I agreed. Stating it was $150US for 3 months.
He then comes back say’s I only got $125 will you accept that? Which I did. Then it’s oh, I only got $85 on me now I’ll give you $40 next week. By this stage the other two parties that were interested in the spot I’d told it had been sold. So I accepted.
However, I discovered that it just wasn’t this guy, he also had a partner. The other site had been running for 6 months. It also looked like is was bring in its fair share of dollars too. So I sent him an email asking wtf is going on? At that point I felt my good nature had been taken advantage of.
That’s when the webmaster (18 year old) came out and told me the whole story and informed me that his partner was 16 years old. After being told this I pulled the banner ad.
I looked at the moral/ethical stand point. that is I wouldn’t want my 16 year old son involved in an activity I think is justifiably reserved for adults.
Admittedly this is another issue
Digging deeper the 16 year old openly discusses playing at poker rooms and offers poker advice too. Maybe this is just BS bravado and attempts to talk the talk, but, I have to take it for what it is and assume he’s actively playing poker online.What I don’t need is some gung ho legal eagle jumping all over my ass purporting that I’m indirectly assisting a minor to promote poker rooms. Which after getting some (lets guard my ass) legal advice was a scenario brought into conversation.
Now I’m pretty sure some of you wont agree with the stance I’ve now taken, but, in retrospect and imo, this 18 year old has tried to play me for a moron since day one. Due to his obvious it’s all about me attitude (f#ck anyone else) I’ve lost not one but two people that wanted that banner space. (unfortunately both have found other positions now).
As I’ve said to him, He’ll get his $125US back to Neteller when that banner ad gets filled and not before. I can tell you he’s not real happy about it, but, if he was up front with me from the start then all of this wouldn’t have happened.
I did receive an email from him yesterday stating that his 16 year old partner is no longer associated with the business or the sites. He requested that I re-instate the banner ad.
So I do a simple whois on the domains only to find that the 16 year old still owns both domains. I think to myself this guy must really think I’m an imbecile :banger:
The short of all this is I don’t trust this guy. He’s BS’d me too many times and has confused a good nature with being a sucker!
As far as the refund, to stop all his BS it’s probably best to just give him his $125 back and wipe my hands of this pr#ck!
Though it means I’ll be out of pocket $60 to get money to Neteller. As it stands I’ve just closed a CC account and am waiting a new one to be issued. My Neteller account is zeroed out and to get funds to it I have to send a bank wire which costs me $60 all up. Unfortunately I get double dipped (my bank and an intermediate bank both charge fees). Plus this month I’ve got a bit of a cash flow problem.
F#ck it, I’ll go to the bank tomorrow and get this piss ant paid.
Hardly seems worth it to me. I’d refund the money also.
Legal age to make money in US is like when your born. I know what your saying though however kids at 16 work at Applebees and crap and get drink orders. Granted they cant bring it to your table unless they are 18 but they can still push it at 16.
SO with that in mind he is selling but not serving
wow I actually said something smart hahahaha
Daera wrote:Hardly seems worth it to me. I’d refund the money also.Your right it’s not worth the agro.
Sounds like the right decision to me. Who needs the DOJ busting down the door for something as silly as this. I would get the money back to him pronto.
I’m just going to have to agree and say its ok for a 16 year old to build a gambling website. I know its illegal to gamble under 18 even though I did it many times with my friends and online since i was 13, but I dont know if it’s illegal to build a website ABOUT gambling. For all I know, it could just be a bright 16 year old that is the technical brain of the family building a site for his old dad who doesn’t know a thing about building websites and doing highly technical things.
Even if it is the law, its one of those laws that can’t be enforced, who’s going to do anything about it and so what if he does. COME ON.. what kind of teenager hasn’t looked at porn or watched a rated R movie!? I know I did limitless times and if you say you didn’t, I know your lying:D I did all that stuff since 13 and entered the stock market at 14 and ended up a straight A 4.0 student. I have to say though that maturity is the key and I have to say, I felt different than all the other kids my age at the time.
Now I’m legal to do anything, the only thing I regret was being so lazy back then and I wish I would have worked harder then so I could be rich now, but I wasn’t too worried about money back then so it didn’t matter. My stuff really officially didn’t get started until last summer since now i’m not getting a free ride any more and I have to start making an income to pay schooling.
Gaming is nowhere near the same plane as drugs, sex, crime or some of the other common sense bad stuff for young people. Hell, my phobia experience with a few wild spiders has caused me more trauma than anything of the illegal stuff I ever did in my life LOL 😮 . Besides, everyone on this forum is breaking the law because the last I heard, online gambling is illegal everywhere in the US! So don’t be a hypocrite!:fencing:
Dude if you were gambling online at 13!! holy crap! My kid is 11 and … How the hell did you pay for it??
I was staying up all night at my friends house drinking Jolt and playing my Amega when I was around that age.Besides, everyone on this forum is breaking the law because the last I heard, online gambling is illegal everywhere in the US! So don’t be a hypocrite!
Get your facts straight. If online gambling were illegal, they would NOT be trying to make it illegal every year and fail.
My son is 10, and has played freerolls on my account online a time or few
.. He doesn’t do half bad, his theory seems to be raise, and raise, and raise s’more.. but he gets pretty far for a ten year old hehe.. gotta watch the chat though, because I don’t want him to be exposed to the trash that can pop up in there… as for playing cards.. I’ve been doin it all my life, and don’t see alot of harm in it 
.. Not takin the kids to a smokey card room in the middle of the night..But as for the 16 year old in this thread, I think ya did the right thing.. I wouldn’t have messed with that I don’t have the money right now business for more than about 5 minutes.. not if you had a spot that people were obviously interested in buying .. By the way, soon as that ten year old of mine learns to code.. I’m retiring .. I’ll order the add space .. but thats it! heheheheh
~LadyH
From what I know, people of all ages are protected by the constitution of the United States, which would therefore mean that this person, no matter their age, should be protected under the first amendment as “commercial free speech.”
Is there someplace in federal law that directly states the prohibition of online gambling advertising by a minor?
Of course, most of us have to check our morals on this one. Is it or is it not moral to allow a minor to advertise gambling on our website? Well, I would say that no minor should be involved in gambling for money, but I also know plenty of minors who play poker with their friends at home.
How is this different than if the minor was to go to AdBrite and buy an ad on your site?
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