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If 888 have to employ 10000 extra staff to sort the problem, that is their own bad. Tough.
Maybe what should happen is 888 inform ecogra what they want done?
The Ecogra can get PWC “experts” to do the work, and 888 pay the bill. That’s the MO 888 have funded ecogra to implement upon Fortune Junction, AFTER the offending material was removed. 888 are nowhere near removing their or their friends rubbish. I have seen nothing about OCR finding comment spam pointing at a site allegedy run by Cassava anyhoo.
Either way, I am sure Dom & Greek etc have work to do, aside volunteering help to a multi billion dollar firm, who allegedly want to clean up their act.
# partypooper joey.. :Partier:Couldn’t agree more, we all have more important work to do. After careful review not much has been done despite our efforts. Closing down affiliate accounts is one thing, 888 should try closing down the person doing the deeds. I would suggest also reviewing your affiliate terms and conditons.
To expect us to constantly police 888 and their affiliates is absurd. I have my information to rougue/blacklist 888 and will stay that way. If 888 feels they would like to challenge my findings in so be it.
Call of the blood hounds 888 I am certain you know who they are. I will provide two to investigate its your good reputation that you wish to desperately uphold.
In regards to Urls being scraped those go to Google, Yahoo, and MSN for security reasons. See ya in 30 days. greek39^*
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2–go.comThis firm need to act for themselves. This attempt to flush the serps is woeful.
Lock down & shut down.
Lock down new aff applicants for approval. Monitor the new traffic “source” from the start, not just Shut down affs who send a player that just so happens to be a chargebacker.
Lock down where all previous aff account holders traffic sources are coming from and Shut down the nefarious folk.
A serious firm would consider drastic action, if they were serious. I still want to know about spyware/adware advertising. I don’t want them spamming the blog. I don’t want their adverts via Whenu or eXact etc popping up on my sons computer, because he downloaded a smilie.
# I don’t want this firm funding “the players seal – ecogra”, thereby gaining positive notieriety for “giving the industry a present”.
# Webscaz removing the 888 rogue page removed 1 source where the proof is posted that 888 (staff?) were blog spamming. It remains linked to, for I am sure this firm will let him down & take advantage of the good nature afforded.
The 888 linked pages network needs to be taken to the next level. 888 has unbelievably managed to decertify themselves again!:beatup:
I would be willing to go out on a limb and create multiple blogs with my opinions on:
888.com and SPAM
CasinoPays and SPAM
Casino Partners and SPAM
I would also be fully willing to give out free links on all blogs.
I am about to blacklist Casinopays.
It is only a matter of finding the time to get it done and up there.
I will be giving free links to like pages again.
Great count me in. Have to find the time to get started as well, though.
it´s time for some :beatup: and :banger: and :shooter: and lastly some :Pisser:
This is interesting topic about creating doorway pages or misleading neophytes.
Courtesy of BBC News
“Search giant Google has “blacklisted” German car manufacturer BMW for breaching its guidelines. Investigations by Google found that BMW’s German website influenced search results to ensure top ranking when users searched for “used car”. Google has now reduced BMW’s page rank to zero, ensuring the company no longer appears at the top. BMW admitted using so-called “doorway pages” to boost search rankings, but denied any attempt to mislead users”
google is mopping up, follow the guidelines or get booted. Perhaps this is the message I have been trying to get accross. greek39
Greek, you seem to be in touch with current events most of the time but this BMW story is sooooooooooooooo old:hehe:
Dodgy as well. They offended once and got the boot. The likes of 888 have thousands of offenders and there hasn´t been a meaningful punishment as of yet.
Goldfinger perhaps you are right, and old story indeed. However, for me this problem is burnt into my mind. I see it, think it, believe it everyday when I start probing. I see honest people doing honest work being destroyed by dishonest people and ask why? can I possibly make a difference?.
There is no fame, glory, financial gain I seek, in fact gloating is against my life standards. I find no solice in being the one who did this or that, it don’t matter to me. What does matter is knowing possibly I made a difference. If I happen to make a difference you won’t hear it coming from me.
This is more than an “old story” my friend. To give up and walk away from this issue would be a blunder of blunders. “there hasn’t a been meaningful punishment as of yet” I agree, perhaps only a dent. I see people giving up on this isssue, perhaps this would be the anticipated response 888 would like?
Eventually this situation will get resolved in a meaningful way. If you do not believe something “meaningful” can be done, then tear down the rogue pages and move on. Many have already done so, I personally don’t give up.
greek39
Go Greek!!!!
I´ll keep these rogue pages up until they start to rot or 888 changes its ways. Perseverance is the key. Keep the good work up.
Goldfinger,
I applaud your candor and your dedication of a page to this, but realistically and practically, does this really accomplish anything other than a place to vent ?
The casinos are useless in regard to allocating resources to deter such behavior. The support of this is erratic and promissary at best.
The root of the problem are the search engines themselves, and until they actually do anything about it, the problem is only going to get worse. The cheats chase the money, and they have found a luicrative area. I don’t believe the search engines are looking at the big picture at all, and this problem will only get worse before it gets better.
Well, the search engine provide the playing field for this BS. However, I believe that the problem is exacerbated by a few programs who are prepared to turn a blind eye to illicit activities and prefer to profit from them rather than building long term relationships.
Getting the spam onto the SERPS and generating big traffic is one thing. Being able to monetize this traffic with the help of unethical affiliate programs makes this a winning proposition for spammers (let´s have a little blackhat SEO contest, shall we?). I can´t reform Google but I sure can put a bit of pressure on the programs that think they can continuously outsmart honest affiliates.
Goldfinger,
Nothing for nothing, I don’t think any of the Casino sites really care if they pay commission to you (an honest webmaster) or to some rogue, spammy websmaster. The bottom line for them is money. Sure, the PR they hand us are “Terms and Agreements”, “violations of Agreement”, “long term relationship”, etc., but the bottom line for these guys is cash. They look at it from a very short-term perspective, and IF (and yes, I say IF) the Search Engines clean up their act, and you/I are long gone due to their unethical practices, there will be a 1,000 other new affiliates waiting to step in and take our place. Demand is high; these affiliate programs will never starve for clientele.
Listen, I am as distraught as you are about this spamming epidemic, but in my eyes, the root of fixing the problem lies entirely with Google, Yahoo, and MSN. Unless they make headway, and I don’t believe they will, this business will be over-run by these spamsters. I equate this to the Mafia taking over the business — they are the thugs of the Internet, but they still pay their bills and make money for everybody. Hence, everyone looks the other way.
Unless you have some inside contacts at Google, et al, I think this party is coming to an abrupt close.
Not to be unduly pessimistic; but I am just a realist, looking at things from the big picture. I am doing what I can to combat it, but I think this epidemic animal is way too big for you and me to tackle.
