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In an effort to not duplicate what has been posted elsewhere, I simply wish to reiterate the current situation at BCP after an hour long call this week with a few of their remaining team members who have stayed on to assist in the closing down of the operations. I would like to make it clear this is in no way is this an attempt to defend BCP – our goal is to ensure all affiliates are informed and can make the right decision for their businesses.
In summary, as a result from the events of Black Friday, BCP was forced to close their operation. According to BCP, the reason why any player is/was able to make a real player registration is due to the fact that the registration was made from outside the US or the player slipped through while the operations people behind the casinos were in the process of shutting down US play. They were told that the operators are in the process of shutting down and the priority was to block any new US play as quickly as possible with non-US play following shortly thereafter. These actions are now in effect. If you were able to register from the U.S., please send me your player username and I will ask BCP to address this. The BCP staff mentioned that they had provided affiliates with the ability to redirect their traffic during this transition period to give affiliates more time to update their links manually. Furthermore, I have been assured by the BCP team that it is their understanding that the casinos will be closed as soon as possible. At present, no new registrations are being accepted and in the very near future no existing players will be allowed to play. They also assured me that this is NOT a ploy to come back under some sort of guise in X months. I was made aware through several sources that the company has laid off the majority of its staff and the rest will be gone as soon BCP has wrapped up the last of their commitments, which has included the managing of recent payouts.
Many of you might ask – what’s taking so long for them to close the casinos? In my opinion, the delay is because it’s a very complicated situation. Unless properly planned months in advance, it would have been nearly impossible for the casinos to settle all of the player funds and issues within a week’s time, which is causing the delay. They told me it was their belief that paying out all of the players is the casino’s first priority, which is reasonable. As for BCP, affiliates are being paid from the money they are receiving based on payments the casino receives from their processors. I believe close to 200 have already received a payment. If you have not received a payment yet, I can only assume that you will *not* be paid unless BCP receives further funds.
Finally, here is my advice to any affiliate who is still aggressively promoting in the U.S. market. Look at moving to CPA deals exclusively or be aware of the serious risks that exist on revshare. It is important to understand that processors are being seized on a frequent basis and any affiliate on a rev-share deal would very likely be considered a partner of the casino since they share in the proceeds. The U.S. market will not be getting better under this environment and the long term outlook for this market is unsure. If you target the U.S. market, you are making the same gamble as the player and the casino itself. Exercise great caution when spending for links, PPC, or media buys – you literally may never see that money.
I wish I had better news to share with you all about the situation, but when a company essentially goes bankrupt, there is nothing more we can do.
I will monitor this thread and will try to answer any questions that may come up.
@Warren 229548 wrote:
In an effort to not duplicate what has been posted elsewhere, I simply wish to reiterate the current situation at BCP after an hour long call this week with a few of their remaining team members who have stayed on to assist in the closing down of the operations. I would like to make it clear this is in no way is this an attempt to defend BCP – our goal is to ensure all affiliates are informed and can make the right decision for their businesses.
In summary, as a result from the events of Black Friday, BCP was forced to close their operation. According to BCP, the reason why any player is/was able to make a real player registration is due to the fact that the registration was made from outside the US or the player slipped through while the operations people behind the casinos were in the process of shutting down US play. They were told that the operators are in the process of shutting down and the priority was to block any new US play as quickly as possible with non-US play following shortly thereafter. These actions are now in effect. If you were able to register from the U.S., please send me your player username and I will ask BCP to address this. The BCP staff mentioned that they had provided affiliates with the ability to redirect their traffic during this transition period to give affiliates more time to update their links manually. Furthermore, I have been assured by the BCP team that it is their understanding that the casinos will be closed as soon as possible. At present, no new registrations are being accepted and in the very near future no existing players will be allowed to play. They also assured me that this is NOT a ploy to come back under some sort of guise in X months. I was made aware through several sources that the company has laid off the majority of its staff and the rest will be gone as soon BCP has wrapped up the last of their commitments, which has included the managing of recent payouts.
Many of you might ask – what’s taking so long for them to close the casinos? In my opinion, the delay is because it’s a very complicated situation. Unless properly planned months in advance, it would have been nearly impossible for the casinos to settle all of the player funds and issues within a week’s time, which is causing the delay. They told me it was their belief that paying out all of the players is the casino’s first priority, which is reasonable. As for BCP, affiliates are being paid from the money they are receiving based on payments the casino receives from their processors. I believe close to 200 have already received a payment. If you have not received a payment yet, I can only assume that you will *not* be paid unless BCP receives further funds.
Finally, here is my advice to any affiliate who is still aggressively promoting in the U.S. market. Look at moving to CPA deals exclusively or be aware of the serious risks that exist on revshare. It is important to understand that processors are being seized on a frequent basis and any affiliate on a rev-share deal would very likely be considered a partner of the casino since they share in the proceeds. The U.S. market will not be getting better under this environment and the long term outlook for this market is unsure. If you target the U.S. market, you are making the same gamble as the player and the casino itself. Exercise great caution when spending for links, PPC, or media buys – you literally may never see that money.
I wish I had better news to share with you all about the situation, but when a company essentially goes bankrupt, there is nothing more we can do.
I will monitor this thread and will try to answer any questions that may come up.
Hi Warren, you sound like an echo of Jeff from BCP, when I spoke to him last. Yuck.
Edit:
I should say, I disagree that we as affiliates would be considered partners in crime.. google places my website where it wants, and the casinos are the ones who decide what type of processing they have in place, shady or not and whether or not they allow US players to deposit..Edit again:
I should also say, Im not a lawyer.. just my opinion.@Play 229551 wrote:
Hi Warren, you sound like an echo of Jeff from BCP, when I spoke to him last. Yuck.
Hi Play – perhaps – and so will anyone else in our position. We are objective and our responsibility is to present the story as we hear it. If there are points which then continue to prove nonsensical, then we start this process over.
@Play 229551 wrote:
Edit:
I should say, I disagree that we as affiliates would be considered partners in crime.. google places my website where it wants, and the casinos are the ones who decide what type of processing they have in place, shady or not and whether or not they allow US players to deposit..Edit again:
I should also say, Im not a lawyer.. just my opinion.None of us are lawyers, but if you speak to attorneys such as I. Nelson Rose or Larry Walters, they will tell you exactly what I’ve mentioned above. If anyone thinks there is zero risk from this activity, then they are simply being delusional.
@Warren 229553 wrote:
Hi Play – perhaps – and so will anyone else in our position. We are objective and our responsibility is to present the story as we hear it. If there are points which then continue to prove nonsensical, then we start this process over.
None of us are lawyers, but if you speak to attorneys such as I. Nelson Rose or Larry Walters, they will tell you exactly what I’ve mentioned above. If anyone thinks there is zero risk from this activity, then they are simply being delusional.
Are those the same lawyers who Steve. S spoke to, and they told him they couldnt deal with him because of a conflict of interest? I dont know that this type of advice is something that should even be considered when its coming from the attorneys of the casinos who are giving us the shaft.
Again, just my opinion.
@Play 229554 wrote:
Are those the same lawyers who Steve. S spoke to, and they told him they couldnt deal with him because of a conflict of interest? I dont know that this type of advice is something that should even be considered when its coming from the attorneys of the casinos who are giving us the shaft.
Again, just my opinion.
They could be, yes. They’re also widely considered the 2 leading legal experts in this field, so contacting another attorney who doesn’t have the domain expertise is no different than having a criminal lawyer create a prenuptial agreement.
If you know of another attorney who specializes in this topic, please share your findings with us all.
@Warren 229555 wrote:
They could be, yes. They’re also widely considered the 2 leading legal experts in this field, so contacting another attorney who doesn’t have the domain expertise is no different than having a criminal lawyer create a prenuptial agreement.
If you know of another attorney who specializes in this topic, please share your findings with us all.
I dont know of any other attorneys who specialize in online gaming.. but I do know a little bit of common sense, and that dictates that the lawyer of the company who is ripping you off, is the last person one should take any advice from.
This is going to take quite some effort, but here we go:
First of all Warren. Don’t take this personal. But, although I have not been around for long in the forum, I do not know you, but I already have lost all faith in you.
Let me explain:
First: What a title man. Fantastic. You did make that one up yourself?
This is not a status update but something you say you wanted to avoid: repeating of what has been said on a manner that makes me want to boycott the whole lot of it all.
The casinos, this whole watch doggy forum idea that makes us affiliates feel good in a sense when all is sweet but, leaves us all in the dark when the crab hits the van and what have you not. I am fed up.
Truly and Big time.
Then, further in the title: Ongoing risk for US affiliates? Really? From where that assumption? Warren, they are closed? They have been a risk since they started from what I now believe to be true.
If, should it be, that you wanted to address two issues in the one thread, how about posting two threads? Make them sticky. This way, forgive me for saying, it seems so half baked. So not important enough to make two threads on it.
(It might be my stupidity but I only noticed it could be like that, after re reading what I had written 3 times…)
@Warren 229548 wrote:
In an effort to not duplicate what has been posted elsewhere, I simply wish to reiterate the current situation at BCP after an hour long call this week with a few of their remaining team members who have stayed on to assist in the closing down of the operations.
Who. Who did you talk to? You are not one who is standing up against BCP for us so it seems, but are one who is going with the floooow…
Who Warren. Did you speak to someone who matters? Or the same clowns we get to speak to?
They know nothing. It is the people who wear the ties here you need to speak to. Do yo know who is the person to speak to Warren? If so, tell us.
Another thing: If you are an affiliate, then, you should not be a spokesperson in this, since you are one of us.
You are not in between nor neutral. I have no faith in you since you are my competition in the field.
To clarify that: If you could take 50 players from me, making you $50k p month more, would you?
And, then now we are the same team? I do not feel like that one bit. You are not to blame, it is the way this forum has been set up. You nor anyone else working for CAP should have been an affiliate in the first place. It just does not work optimal.
@Warren 229548 wrote:
I would like to make it clear this is in no way is this an attempt to defend BCP – our goal is to ensure all affiliates are informed and can make the right decision for their businesses.
I am horrified to read this. Goal is to inform. And then you title this thread as you did. Nice informing. To be honest about it: It took you quite some time to initially ‘inform’ us from your attention to this.
And, only to come with sweet fukc all and stuff two important issues in the one little thread in the hope ALL USA affiliates will read it. Your job done, time to sit down and relax.
@Warren 229548 wrote:
In summary, as a result from the events of Black Friday, BCP was forced to close their operation.
Liars. All of you.
@Warren 229548 wrote:
According to BCP, the reason why any player is/was able to make a real player registration is due to the fact that the registration was made from outside the US or the player slipped through while the operations people behind the casinos were in the process of shutting down US play.
Another one of those silly stories. You just believe them, do you? You know Warren, wake up and smell the coffee: They probably thought, oh, there is that silly twat Warren, what will we tell him this time? They merely took the piece of toilet paper where they wrote their script on and read it out to you again.
I saw TWO USA players in other forums still being allowed to gamble AND they were told NOT to worry, they would NOT close down. To make it a little more exiting for all of us, a little below this post, you will see another very recent statement of a current Go player…
Go Casino at Center of Dispute With Affiliates
Personally Warren, I now have 20 NEW REAL players accounts on those casinos, i can STILL make new accounts. Do it daily. REAL accounts.
@Warren 229548 wrote:
They were told that the operators are in the process of shutting down and the priority was to block any new US play as quickly as possible with non-US play following shortly thereafter. These actions are now in effect. If you were able to register from the U.S., please send me your player username and I will ask BCP to address this.
Want me to wash their cars too? I was going to write something with suck etc.
They were told, bla bla bla, Warren… The moment you hear that, you should realize that you are talking to the wrong damn birdy. Who DOES own bcp?
I am telling you I am owed thousands of dollars. I can send you my affiliate account username. Ask them to look after it will you?
@Warren 229548 wrote:
The BCP staff mentioned that they had provided affiliates with the ability to redirect their traffic during this transition period to give affiliates more time to update their links manually.
This was done so we would not SEE the actual casinos anymore not to cry wolf over the fact they still continued to take players.
Try it. If you used that links once, you will not be able to get to the official domain of the casino until you clear cookies. I tried it… I am in internet marketing 12 years…. I am not a noob and was surprised I was not able to visit gocasino.com from my work station, but was able to reach it on my macs and other pc’s around the house.
Make sure you use one of your redirect links first. Then visit the official casino. You will land on your redirected page. Never to see gocasino.com again.
They have given us this tool. Screw them. They have taken us away from those casinos so that this **** what is happening now would not happen as soon as it did.
@Warren 229548 wrote:
Furthermore, I have been assured by the BCP team that it is their understanding that the casinos will be closed as soon as possible. At present, no new registrations are being accepted and in the very near future no existing players will be allowed to play.
Here ya go:
Go Casino at Center of Dispute With Affiliatesand
I have been playing with GO and Golden for years. Well, Golden for years I guess and Go since they opened it. I talk to the VIPs and the livechat folks every day because I’m a bonus freak and I’ve gotten to know them all quite well. They are great and take especially good care of me! Anyway, I’ve cashed out with both casinos at different points and I have actually asked them in the last few days should I be worried about being cut off etc. and they said no, they just aren’t accepting new registrants, I have no worries.
which is Post #4 on the same forum
@Warren 229548 wrote:
They also assured me that this is NOT a ploy to come back under some sort of guise in X months. I was made aware through several sources that the company has laid off the majority of its staff and the rest will be gone as soon BCP has wrapped up the last of their commitments, which has included the managing of recent payouts.
What does it take to assure you Warren? Not much, does it?
@Warren 229548 wrote:
Many of you might ask – what’s taking so long for them to close the casinos? In my opinion, the delay is because it’s a very complicated situation.
Sure was for casinocoins, he Warren?
@Warren 229548 wrote:
Unless properly planned months in advance, it would have been nearly impossible for the casinos to settle all of the player funds and issues within a week’s time, which is causing the delay.
Sure was for casinocoins. These people planned it a few months in advance. Really Warren, they did. Do you work for Fox NEws?
@Warren 229548 wrote:
They told me it was their belief that paying out all of the players is the casino’s first priority, which is reasonable.
But a lie.
@Warren 229548 wrote:As for BCP, affiliates are being paid from the money they are receiving based on payments the casino receives from their processors. I believe close to 200 have already received a payment.
I received a poor 50% of what I am owed. My sub affiliates have not EVEN had an email.
@Warren 229548 wrote:
If you have not received a payment yet, I can only assume that you will *not* be paid unless BCP receives further funds.
Which is RICHLY and with abundance FLOWING in to the casinos. Period.
@Warren 229548 wrote:
I wish I had better news to share with you all about the situation, but when a company essentially goes bankrupt, there is nothing more we can do.
Bankrupt? who? And, the nothing more we can do? That is not correct.
We can boycott all of this. The lot. And, come up with a solution that DOES safeguard us affiliates. I am not sure if you want to boycott your own forum though…
That it is time for a change? You might see it yourself.
As soon as the people who run this show here are in fact competition, they will NEVER ever stand up for my case as that they will for their own. The people doing that should be paid employees. Not my competition. Nor of all those 1000’s affected by it.
You got paid? That is why it is easy to say for you that there is nothing more we can do.
Amen.
@Warren 229548 wrote:
I will monitor this thread and will try to answer any questions that may come up.
Thanks Warren.
@Play 229556 wrote:
I dont know of any other attorneys who specialize in online gaming.. but I do know a little bit of common sense, and that dictates that the lawyer of the company who is ripping you off, is the last person one should take any advice from.
Just WHY do we need to get advice or service from an attorney specialized in online gaming? We are having a dispute with BCP. An internet marketing company, no?
I am an advertiser for them. I do not gamble, nor have I anything to do with it.
Their TOS states we should get paid up until the 27th. I had an agreement with them, not with one of the casinos so it seems.
@Warren 229553 wrote:
Hi Play – perhaps – and so will anyone else in our position. We are objective and our responsibility is to present the story as we hear it. If there are points which then continue to prove nonsensical, then we start this process over.
Where is the department that stands up for the affiliates in this?
I would like to make an appointment. To me, I had the feeling this forum was the organization that would stand up for us other than re ventilate old news we as members brought up here as threads in the first place.
@Warren 229555 wrote:
If you know of another attorney who specializes in this topic, please share your findings with us all.
How about we all look for one? Starting centralized from here? Our home…
@whs-web 229560 wrote:
Just WHY do we need to get advice or service from an attorney specialized in online gaming? We are having a dispute with BCP. An internet marketing company, no?
I am an advertiser for them. I do not gamble, nor have I anything to do with it.
Their TOS states we should get paid up until the 27th. I had an agreement with them, not with one of the casinos so it seems.
Totally agree, last time I checked we dont hold gambling licenses, we dont process transactions, and we dont take any part in the inner workings of the casinos, or the affiliate programs for that matter.
I heard right from BCP, “advice” about thinking twice before perusing legal action against them because supposedly I could end up having legal problems due to them having been a US facing outfit.
How about this…
You be BCP, I be the affiliate group pulling you into court for unpaid debts…
Here we are, in court (providing your stupid enough to let it get there).. disputing funds owed..
Do you mention that you have been servicing US players?
Do I mention you servicing US players?
Are we here in court to talk about US players?How is this something that an affiliate should be concerned about when seeking recourse for funds owed.
If some US facing casinos are engaging in fraudulent activity to process transactions, and we are left with “black friday” situation, please someone explain to me how any risk or liability is absorbed by the affiliate. I guess godaddy should be in the firing lane for leasing domains to these companies, and CAP should look out because they have been aiding in the appropriation of affiliates to these companies. Hell, we can call it conspiracy.
To me it sounds a lot like propaganda. Like a gag routine. I am an honest business owner, if I thought I were breaking the law Id not be in this business.
Today I was talking to a friend of mine about this turmoil in the industry, a friend who is in no way involved in it, and he said to me Quote:
[08:08 pm] 898 ******: no
[08:08 pm] 899 ******: you are a casino affiliate
[08:08 pm] 896 ******: since day 1 they have ****** over affiates
[08:08 pm] 897 ******: its a standard thingAm I the only one humiliated about this reputation us affiliates have as a doormat?
Isnt it time we grew a backbone and put an end to this madness?Warren, in another thread you mentioned that you would keep on this until a resolution was reached which is acceptable to all parties. Let me go on record as saying, this is not acceptable. What would be acceptable, is for BCP to pay its debts.
I saw new depositors in the beginning of June. But I didn’t promote them that month.
So that are earlier sign ups.@EugeneK 229573 wrote:
I saw new depositors in the beginning of June. But I didn’t promote them that month.
So that are earlier sign ups.I was seeing deposits too, until the moment they locked us out from our stats..
Just like Grand Prive. This industry really needs to be regulated.
whs-web:
Thank you. You have posted the things many of us feel. My hat is off to you. True, I trashed you previously. Here now in front of all, I apologize.
Warren:
What a pathetic bit of ass covering. This is the best that the #1 person at the largest casino advocate program can do? This organization is useless. What you should be doing is obvious to everyone but you. I am the one of the most unplugged people in this business. I do not know all that many people in it. But, you know something, I have been hearing from a lot of people that I have worked with in this business in the last 10 years or so. To a person they all agree that CAP and GPWA have been taking money from almost anyone that offered it for years and that now that they we need them, they do nothing! You guys sold us out. And now your true nature is being revealed to all.
My advice to you is to do something substantive and stop trying to convince us you are on top of this issue. We all know better.
