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@Dominique 229578 wrote:
Just like Grand Prive. This industry really needs to be regulated.
Words of the wise. Without regulation casino groups really can go about and do what grand prive and the BCP casinos have done.
Needs to be some accountability.
We can say all we want in here, on who is doing their job and who isn’t, and what this is being done, and what what is not being done.
But when it comes down to it.. if this industry is not regulated, you can be assured that another casino group will at some point in time go out and screw its advertisers.
CAP GPWA AGD PAL – all these forum groups – if a casino group wanted to go out and screw the industry (thats what it is.. not just advertisers) – they can. Without a regulatory figure at a government level – there is no accountability.
@Rak 229589 wrote:
Words of the wise.
Words of the obvious…
We should be working to hang BCP/CB out to dry…
Or next time its:
“Just like BCP. This industry really needs to be regulated.”
Steve S, Play, and whs-web:
You have a right to be angry. If I didn’t make it clear already, I am by NO means disagreeing with any of you that BCP is completely handling this situation wrong. My goal with this post was to lay out the full story from the horse’s mouth (to ensure the story was consistent across the board) and try to mediate some sort of resolution with them to get you guys (and others) paid. CAP has done this successfully in a countless number of similar situations over the past 10 years; any of our senior members would attest to this. In fact, we dealt with a BCP related matter in 2008 which we were successful in resolving. I can’t say this situation will be the same due to the dire circumstances, but the motivation and goal is the same.
Rather than making personal attacks against CAP, AGD, GPWA, and others claiming that we do not truly have affiliate’s interests at heart, I can only say that we are not miracle workers and are being placed in a very difficult situation because none of us are equipped to launch a legal class-action suit against an operator, especially in this industry where there is no regulation in the U.S. market and these companies are hidden behind multiple veils / structures in foreign countries which are very expensive to pierce. This is no different than a casino going out of business and not paying it’s players; the affiliate who sent those players is put in a difficult situation and does have an obligation to its players, but not once has an affiliate ever chose to take legal action against a casino on behalf of its players because it’s a futile effort.
I propose the following and welcome your thoughts on this:
- I will initiate contact with GPWA and AGD to get their thoughts on how we can find a resolution through a collaborative efforts.
- We will discuss all options available and try to prioritize them accordingly.
- I will communicate those back to the members ASAP and gain everyone’s feedback so we can help organize the appropriate action.
At the end of the day, this whole situation is going to come down to whether or not the owners of BCP wish to settle their obligations personally with affiliates as they are the ones who are driving this decision – essentially to remove themselves from the spotlight of U.S. authorities – which is the right thing to do based on recent events.
Again, I am trying to keep a rational viewpoint on the situation as that is the only way to mediate any type of situation like this, however, if we (and I can probably say the same for others) are going to be attacked rather than supported, then it only makes sense for us to respectfully bow out of this mediation.
I am open to any other ideas so long as they are productive towards our common end goal.
@Rak 229589 wrote:
CAP GPWA AGD PAL – all these forum groups – if a casino group wanted to go out and screw the industry (thats what it is.. not just advertisers) – they can. Without a regulatory figure at a government level – there is no accountability.
It should be the duty of those aforementioned entities to assure that some level of accountability is met and that a quality product(s) is present (as much as possible anyway). Sadly at least a few of those sites care more about money going into their own pockets than they do in providing for that quality.
@Warren 229592 wrote:
Steve S, Play, and whs-web:
Warren, Warren and Warren,
Are you guys really too busy to not even take your time to answer us personally? Call me a chupa chupp, but I spend a good time writing to you in this thread… Why not answer me?
@Warren 229592 wrote:
You have a right to be angry.
I say thank you. Is that just for here in the forum? Or are we allowed to be angry elsewhere too? I know, now I am being silly, right? But. Warren. I am by far not angry anymore. I already moved on. Being angry does not do anything. I had to move on or drown.
Did you tell the BCP clowns that I have a right on 100% of my money earned too btw?
@Warren 229592 wrote:
If I didn’t make it clear already, I am by NO means disagreeing with any of you that BCP is completely handling this situation wrong.
Obviously. Did you get paid? What was your percentage? Let’s have it all out in the open:
I got paid around $12k and was told it was about 50% of what I was owed that month. I got this, since I was such a good affiliate. My contact told me this in these exact same words.
@Warren 229592 wrote:
My goal with this post was to lay out the full story from the horse’s mouth (to ensure the story was consistent across the board) and try to mediate some sort of resolution with them to get you guys (and others) paid.
If that was your goal, you would have made TWO STICKY threads (besides the sticky’s you continuously have that BRING IN THE MONEY for this forum) Did you notice? Most important stickys are to sign up as affiliate somewhere. Oh, I beg you pardon, they are non commercial, right?
@Warren 229592 wrote:
CAP has done this successfully in a countless number of similar situations over the past 10 years; any of our senior members would attest to this. In fact, we dealt with a BCP related matter in 2008 which we were successful in resolving. I can’t say this situation will be the same due to the dire circumstances, but the motivation and goal is the same.
Its exactly like with investing Warren, past successes will not be any value for in the present time. Although great, since that was the sole reason I came here, since I heard that this forum did that so successfully, it is an even more greater let down, to see that all of those powers have gone where Osama bin laden is.
@Warren 229592 wrote:
Rather than making personal attacks against CAP, AGD, GPWA, and others claiming that we do not truly have affiliate’s interests at heart, I can only say that we are not miracle workers and are being placed in a very difficult situation because none of us are equipped to launch a legal class-action suit against an operator, especially in this industry where there is no regulation in the U.S. market and these companies are hidden behind multiple veils / structures in foreign countries which are very expensive to pierce.
I believe, I posted the first thread about this. You were where? What post # is yours? How many sticky threads with warnings did we see? You make it hard to believe that all the money has not slightly put on those pink glasses for the guys who stand up for us in this forum. Again, this forum should never ever have to be managed by affiliates who are our competition.
@Warren 229592 wrote:
This is no different than a casino going out of business and not paying it’s players; the affiliate who sent those players is put in a difficult situation and does have an obligation to its players, but not once has an affiliate ever chose to take legal action against a casino on behalf of its players because it’s a futile effort.
It was my believe this forum stands up for us affiliates. It does perhaps as you say, but, with no result.
How about allowing us to know what you know. Why are there redirects to Golden Palace? So, now we know this, should you not go over to them?
Let us stop playing their game with hide and seek. I know that you know a lot more.
I was told. By who? Check your contacts as there is a leak. Best bluf poker in the world, right?
This is not a personal attack at all. I am giving you the chance to come clean for us all.
@Warren 229592 wrote:
I propose the following and welcome your thoughts on this:
- I will initiate contact with GPWA and AGD to get their thoughts on how we can find a resolution through a collaborative efforts.
- We will discuss all options available and try to prioritize them accordingly.
- I will communicate those back to the members ASAP and gain everyone’s feedback so we can help organize the appropriate action.
Communication in the open please. Otherwise there will be too much of the ‘that whs-web is an azzhool’ and that play dude should shut up, and that steve person bla bla bla
NO more friends politics please. I am not saying it has been done, I am eliminating the opportunity for it to arise.
@Warren 229592 wrote:
At the end of the day, this whole situation is going to come down to whether or not the owners of BCP wish to settle their obligations personally with affiliates as they are the ones who are driving this decision – essentially to remove themselves from the spotlight of U.S. authorities – which is the right thing to do based on recent events.
Who are they please? I am surely hoping you know. Why otherwise are they so approved and praised in to heaven as they were?
Do these owners realize that the attention, focus and aim of all guns are shifting over to Golden Palace now?
Hackers can take them down too. All of their casinos. Already heard it would be a piece of cake. (For legal reasons, I have nothing to do with hacking. I was simply contacted by someone here…)
Thing is this, is Golden palace willing to deal with this? I would hate it if I was them. It would be cheaper for them to pay all debts owed.
@Warren 229592 wrote:
Again, I am trying to keep a rational viewpoint on the situation as that is the only way to mediate any type of situation like this, however, if we (and I can probably say the same for others) are going to be attacked rather than supported, then it only makes sense for us to respectfully bow out of this mediation.
I am open to any other ideas so long as they are productive towards our common end goal.
It was never a personal attack perhaps more a dissapointment on how things are being dealt with here.
The whole BCP world has been nuked, and ALREADY now (sarcastic) we are having this discussion. IF this was my organization, It would have been a lot different I tell you.
Maybe that is what I need to do.
Drop all of my affiliate business, sacrifice it all and regulate this b*tch. For all of us.
This should never ever happen again.
The more I think of it, the more I get exited to do it.
It has its price, but it can be done.
Proper regulation. Keep the bad boys out, make the good boys a **** load of money.
One side we have a proper selection of affiliates, on the other side MY proper selection of affiliate programs REGULATED through our own TOS.
It has its price, but can be done. I already looked around a bit…
Cause, I for one, am sick being fukced about as if I were a fool.
@EugeneK 229573 wrote:
I saw new depositors in the beginning of June. But I didn’t promote them that month.
So that are earlier sign ups.I had new depositors all the way up to the day they closed it…
@Rak 229589 wrote:
Without a regulatory figure at a government level – there is no accountability.
I don’t think I agree totally with you. Keep the government out.
There is no need of real country government level. Although I totally agree it should be a 100% watertight level with affiliates in mind.
To get this?
There is a need for means of pressure. (which will bring the same government level.)
Look Rak. We know how it is going..
The casinos ARE getting a huge share if not their largest share of players and so revenue thanks TO the affiliates in general.
What if those affiliates are in fact under one roof?
WE now present the TOS to those companies. They now have to agree to our TOS.
If they dont? Good, then the 1000’s of top affiliates wont bother looking at them. What does that mean? Correct, a shipload less traffic, visitors and revenue.
If they DO agree, they will have at their disposal a regulated group of top affiliates promoting them on a responsible way, meaning a ship load more traffic etc.
Both affiliates and operators SIGN the agreement. Should there ever be a dispute, it should be resolved asap.
Should it not, then there is via the courthouse the exit to never ever be allowed in again and be rogued until eternity.
Regulation you will get if we have securities in place. Just like BCP has theirs in place to allow them to screw us.
For instance: For every day that something serious is not being dealt with means $1K fine. They sign for it. NO need for a gambling attorney… just an attorney and it is done.
Someone fails for 5 days? Fine, $5K please.
If the group thinks they can deliver good service and they are not out to screw affiliates, they should not even be afraid for this rule. Those are the affiliate groups we want to talk to.
Our work, our rules.
Simple legal documents that state where the borders are.
If I get all the top affiliates in the industry plus all the best ones, then I bet I get the attention of all casino operators.
We have the power in hand. Not them.
Should I add: Without us affiliates there is no affiliate program?
IT is us… But, only should we organize as one.
Then create an organization for all of us which is managed by people who are NOT affiliates. Write legal documents with reason and set the standard.
As one.
So what if it costs us all a bit of money? If this regulates the industry, then let’s do it.
We better regulate it, before it GETS regulated.
@Warren 229553 wrote:
If anyone thinks there is zero risk from this activity, then they are simply being delusional.
If anyone thinks that they can get away with not abiding by their own TOS on which both parties agreed upon, they are not delusional, …
They slipped in a tile of pure LSD straight after birth and were left there for weeks.
Payment in full up until the 27th is the minimum.
That some cowboy runs of with the money has NOTHING to do with black friday.
I am not convinced. Even after seeing the redirects of ALL BCP casinos to be bfriday…
Bunch of fools they are.
@Steve S 229588 wrote:
whs-web:
Thank you. You have posted the things many of us feel. My hat is off to you. True, I trashed you previously. Here now in front of all, I apologize.
Thanks Steve. Your gratitude means a lot. There is no need to apologize at all.
Just what are CAP and GPWA and whoever supposed to do if they are told that this is the way it is and contact is discontinued?
Sitting around here and bashing people for conveying a message isn’t going to help anyone, it is only going to ensure no one else tries to do something because if they run into a brick wall they also will get attacked for it. Double whammy.
There are only two things that may be an option – what Steve is doing – taking personal action – is one thing.
Or – working to get UIGEA repealed. There is one big difference between Grand Prive and Vegas Tech – Grand Prive had no processing issues and could have easily paid. Vegas Tech had a working business model and loved having affiliates, catered to us and took care of business. They are out of business now. I very much doubt that they are happy about it. Things were working for them the way they were. They are not working for them now, they have shut down.
Do you really think they completely shut down a profitable business just to shaft affiliates?@Dominique 229608 wrote:
Just what are CAP and GPWA and whoever supposed to do if they are told that this is the way it is and contact is discontinued?
I suppose start organizing the most powerful tool against the casinos and programs which are not paying. That would be all of us organized. IT would show them and other programs not to fok with us. Then, a bit more involvement in the beginning of this would have been appreciated I am sure.
@Dominique 229608 wrote:
Sitting around here and bashing people for conveying a message isn’t going to help anyone, it is only going to ensure no one else tries to do something because if they run into a brick wall they also will get attacked for it. Double whammy.
The question from most of us here was not ‘please convey the news’, the question was HEEEEELP!!!
So, having said that: I am not bashing people, merely having a discussion in which I give my honest and open opinions. Salted sometimes yes, however, I am not here to be social NOR am I here to bash people, I am here to find and may I stress, ADD to a hopefully possible solution. I am not out to attack. I was under the impression that this was a forum which would stand up for affiliates in the event of a non payment. This is like that since the forum has been successful many times.
This time, we see there is nothing that they can do. As of yet.
And, you are totally right.
This should not GO AGAINST this forum nor against any other forum. But, it does so far show that in this case all efforts have been totally unsuccessful. Even the effort of doing something for us. All I can record seeing that has been done is a ‘phone call for one hour’
That is an awful lot less than I spend writing my words on this forum. Does that tell anything?
@Dominique 229608 wrote:
There are only two things that may be an option – what Steve is doing – taking personal action – is one thing.
Agreed. We would like to have something to aim at. I think there are people here who believe that the people here know who is who. A total disclosure of that would help this effort #1. In fact, it is the only factor of success we need. I am guessing the casino people do not want other people like forum people for instance, to state who is who within the casinos.
The minute that happens, we could ‘knock knock… who is there’ on his door.
Right now, this person is chewing his cigar, reading these words and thinks, so long motherboardfukcers!!
@Dominique 229608 wrote:
Or – working to get UIGEA repealed. There is one big difference between Grand Prive and Vegas Tech – Grand Prive had no processing issues and could have easily paid. Vegas Tech had a working business model and loved having affiliates, catered to us and took care of business. They are out of business now. I very much doubt that they are happy about it.
Then maybe you can explain to me just how casinocoins did the right thing?
Nobody was able to tell me the difference as of yet besides that they pay in full, have communicated properly and offered to pay what would be earned in future too.@Dominique 229608 wrote:
Things were working for them the way they were. They are not working for them now, they have shut down.
Do you really think they completely shut down a profitable business just to shaft affiliates?I would have hoped you’d given me a bit more credit than that. Of course not.
Fact remains, we should be paid up until the 27th.
I hear from Warren that there are still some people working with BCP to make the process go as smooth as possible.
When DO these people start?
And, how about communicating with the people then? IS that too much to ask?
If they think they communicate enough then think again! No, not enough, not at all!
All of it, is just disappointing too many people right now.
There has to be unity. This forum would be the perfect place to organize such.
I am hoping to see it happen.
I am also inviting the casino people to get in on the discussion.
I think you are missing a piece of the puzzle – Coins status has changed, they are now totally closed and accept no players from anywhere at anytime.
That means they will send one more payment and then that is it.
I am not sure what BCP is up to, but I would imagine they, too, will shut down completely.
@Dominique 229614 wrote:
I think you are missing a piece of the puzzle – Coins status has changed, they are now totally closed and accept no players from anywhere at anytime.
That means they will send one more payment and then that is it.
Great, your point being? They always told they would pay, and paid us.
BCP went the other road.
My puzzle is complete.
Its easy to say “when a company is basically bankrupt”
If we knew the names of these people, and they were truly filing bankrupsy, we would be entitled to a piece of their losses. But of course, nobody is near bankrupt.. not even close, in fact, they still own other programs dont they? Like Casino Blasters…
Casino Blasters should be rogued 150% right now, with prejudice.. and class action should be taken against the Hambledon NV/Golden Palace group. We all know who these people are, even on other boards its well known that BCP,CB are under GP.
Just doing a bit of digging here, and I found the Curaçao company registry..
It seems that these guys have been formed in Curaçao as an investment company…Curaçao Commercial Register
Excerpt from the Commercial Register
Registration number: 59885 (0)
Date: July 3, 2011 Time: 1:23:59 PM
In the Commercial Register of the Curaçao Chamber of Commerce & Industry is registered under number 59885: Hambledon N.V.Trade name Hambledon N.V.
Legal form Limited Liability Company
Official company name Hambledon N.V.
Statutory seat Curaçao
Date of incorporation April 28, 1992
Date last amendment October 23, 1992
Date established April 28, 1992
Authorized capital U.S.A. Dollar 50,000.00
Issued capital U.S.A. Dollar 10,000.00
Paid up capital U.S.A. Dollar 10,000.00
Fiscal year The fiscal year is equal to the calendar year
Address Scharlooweg 81
Country Curaçao
Correspondence address Unknown
Country Curaçao
Post Office Box number Pobox 4911
Object Investment Company(8135)I wonder, if someone contacted the commercial register of Curaçao, if that would yield us the names and addresses of these clowns behind the scene..
To find this, search “Hambledon N.V.” without quotes at:
