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I’ve been making the case for the likes of CPays to be dumped for some time now. Can’t stand that they’re here and I don’t accept the argument that it keep debate going. If that’s the reason for them being here then let’s allow anyone in. CAP, in my opinion, should strictly filter who is certified here and some of them, quite frankly, should’ve been booted way before now.
casinosca wrote:Why are crooks certified at CAP?
= Because they pay?.
Unfortunately I think your correct. I have been wondering for years now what the criteria is to be certified. I think if you can pay the fee then your in.ive seen this answered a few times – Prof says that if they chuck them out of CAP then the communication stops and then there will be no way to resolve or sort out any issues cap members have with them.
I dont know if thats good or bad, i guess you can see it both ways.
I think if you just kicked out any programs that did things bad, most would not be cap cetified anymore, but most programs probabily have done somthing wrong over the years and has been resolved via these forums as they were cap certified with the open communication – which is a good thing
anyway who knows lol :stirpot:
casinosca wrote:Why are crooks certified at CAP?
= Because they pay?I suggest you will do what i do..
Before signing up with any certified program,
1. I visit the program forum and choose to display threads from a few months back to current date.2. I look at the threads and can clearly see if there are many complaints, repeated complaints or posts from unsatisfied affiliates.
3. If the forum is busy with complaints.. I move on to another program.
Could you do any of these with an uncertified program?
Just my two cents.
Excellent point M.D.
If they and others were not here, how would a person new to the industry know anything about them?
There could easily be a review of uncertified programs. Programs can be listed but not certified or ‘recommended’ without any trouble whatsoever.
M.D wrote:2. I look at the threads and can clearly see if there are many complaints, repeated complaints or posts from unsatisfied affiliates.I would suggest extending that to the player forums. After all if they receive lots of complaints from players, then whoever you send isn’t going to stick around for long when you could send them somewhere good. And if they treat players well, my experience is they treat affiliates well too. The opposite is also true.
CAP is a very useful resource, but it shouldn’t stop affiliates from researching casinos themselves IMO.
Other then basically taking a shot at CAP what is this post about?
You dont even state who you think are crooks. Or why you think this? Or ask for support on a problem. Whats your problem Casinosca and what are YOU doing for the industry? You stage an attack on a holiday weekend when I am away from the boards with my family and can’t respond? Whats up with that? :dafingers
Do programs pay for certification here? Yes, they do and I make no appologies for this. This is a business not a charity. I assume YOU are involved in affiliate marketing to earn MONEY, no? We provide a service and it takes a staff, dedicated servers and MANY hours to maintain. This costs MONEY. If we didnt charge the programs a fee we couldnt afford to do what we do. We have families to feed too.
CAP provides a platform for communication between affiliates and programs, we provide a place for you to communicate and network with other affiliates, we help mediate problems when they arise and this requires that we have a relationship with the programs. We also create and promote events like CAP Springbreak and CAPEuro where affiliates are not charged for attendence.
I hope you find value here at CAP Casinosca. If you dont then we will refund your membership fee. Oh wait a minute, we dont charge YOU a fee do we?
What a way to start a Monday morning. Thanks for the post.
Good points Prof. Business is business and not a charity. Decisions must be made based on facts not on subjectivity.
Professor I hope you had a good holiday with your family . I think all the affiliate programs start out on the same foot and are given the assumption of honesty.It is their job to keep their reputation intact and handle problems in a timely matter.
I think it is better to leave some ‘questionable ‘ programs on CAP because from what I have seen nobody is censoring our opinions and we all have different experiences with each program.When new members come around they have all the resources on one site to make a good living here.Just the SEO ,link exchanges and brainpicking I have done in past two months have really paid off .
The professor isnt twisting our arm and forcing us to promote every program so if there are groups like CPAY who are causing concerns (for some) just leave them off your website.There is no shortage of casinos ,poker and Bingo to promote.
PPS I think we behaved very well this weekend.
Thanks Casinobonusguy. :thumbsup:
Yes, with the exception of this thread everyone did splendidly this weekend and I really appreciate it. :p
Prof, at the risk of attracting your wrath, I think you’ve taken this too personally.
The OP was asking a genuine question, IMO, and making what he hoped to be constructive criticism. Maybe it didn’t come across like that – in fact, it probably didn’t. But he raised a valid point, IMO, and one that could’ve been addressed better?
Have a beer and chill after your weekend then take another look – hopefully you’ll see this thread not as a personal attack on you but a genuine question as to why dodgy casinos are certified at CAP. It’s really not an unrealistic question that the OP asked, albeit I agree with you that it could’ve been presented in a more friendly manner
I agree with FictionNet
What question did he ask?
“Why are crooks certified at CAP?”
“= Becuase they pay”
Fiction I still dont understand what this thread is about other then to flame CAP.
Where is the question? I see an accusation. But I fail to see a VALID question.
Who are the crooks? The programs he personally doesnt like? Are all the programs crooks? Do you get to pick and choose which ones he meant by your own personal preferences, because he didnt list any?
If CAP certifies programs you dont promote are WE crooks too? If other members that are members of CAP promote those programs are THEY crooks?
Do we establish a crook committee?Did the OP ask for assistance with anything or raise any specific issues with a certified program?
Fiction you are a member of other communities. Do you approve of and work with all the programs they list? Do they list the same crooks we have here?
The only statements he made which did have merit for conversation are the suggestions of:
= Accepts USA Players
I Personally like this idea, but I dont think its fair to the members of CAP who are NOT US based and may choose to work with programs that dont accept US players. They deserve a place to communicate and hash out problems just as much as us Yanks do. Though I would prefer that ALL casino groups accepted US players the recent legislation made that difficult for publically traded companies. Many of these operators offer quality service and support to their players and affiliates and I see no reason to penalize them because some right wing nuts in the US passed an unpopular law.
= Responds to 80% of the problems with acceptable answers within 72 hours….
Agreed. Thats what we strive for. But please understand the breadth of the wording “acceptable answers”. Affiliate managers cannot always change company policies within 3 days. They have to make presentations to management and wait for a response. This takes time. As long as progress is being made or discussions continue in good faith then I am happy that we are doing what we can to effect postive changes.
