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I just picked you Dom cause I like to keep you in the limelight.
Gee, it seems I don’t need a lot of help with that!
Sometimes what sounds like a warning shot is just a falling branch in the woods.
There are definitely programs that do fire off warning shots, some quietly and some actually tell you. I have had someone tell me in person that they would love to have me increase exposure and would happily treat me like a queen if I did, but they just can’t waste resources otherwise. After that revenue just dried up as I didn’t increase exposure. This program obviously never will get exposure from me.
I do something that most webmasters do not do and actually most people in the industry frown on it – over the years I develop loyalties. When a program or person repeatedly impresses me with forthrightness, I reward it. I do this in real life as well as on the net, and it has worked for me most of the time.
That may not always be the most profitable way to go, but is a way to exist in this industry without constantly looking over my shoulder. And I do ok.
I also do not accuse programs by name of things unless I have proof that they are actually doing what I may suspect.
Precisely because I am a lot in the “lime light” I take into consideration that I may be causing unwarranted damage. It is way too easy to destroy a reputation, and doing so without facts and proof is not professional. I should know, I have been prey to that.
Twice I have spoken out emphatically against a program, both times with very good reason. Both times I kept it within the privacy of the webmaster community, despite not lacking proof of bad behavior.
Publishing pertinent correspondence and statistics is one thing – it is proof in and of itself. Especially if it is timely. Telling of an experience that one has proof to back up is good too. But accusations of things one may suspect have no place in public. They should be dealt with by talking to the program directly. Newbies can always ask seniors for help with that.
I really like it when tactics of how we are cheated are exposed, but for obvious reasons this should be kept in the private section. No point in giving some people new ideas.
For those who do not have access yet, I happily discuss various programs in pms and privacy with anyone, and people do make use of that. I know a lot of the other seniors will happily do the same.
Not to get off topic, but I have a newb question. Dom made reference to player forums, what are some of the more popular player forums out there?
Hi there,
There is http://www.casinomeister.com , http://www.got2bet.com , http://www.winneronline.com and http://www.bet2gamble.com .
These are the major player forums, and each has a different tone and attitude.
Dom,
I appreciate your position and what you have gone through with the GPWA issues, but I also cannot help but feel I one of the targets of your last post.
We all have experiences in this industry and, when asked or inspired, we share those experiences. I do not apologize for anything I have said above.
You and everyone else knows that what we are referring to is not provable by people in our positions… but I am not a moron. These programs that conduct business this way know full-well that I’m not a moron, and that’s why their tactics are so effective… because they know I can’t prove a thing.
I’ll stop here… as I don’t know for certain you were chastising me, and anything else I add wouldn’t be productive at this point.
OH, I thought Dom’s last post was refering to me.
I, too, stand by what I said about Windows.
As far as destroying reputations, the affiliation I spoke about destroyed theirs with their actions, and continue to do so to this day. I am not responsible for that, and I believe it is our responsibility to hold their feet to the fire.To not speak out is to be a part of the problem.
Lololol!
I didn’t mean to be chastising anyone. No one!
When I chastise people, you will see this:
or that:
I am just explaining my own position. Everyone is totally entitled to their own.
To not speak out is to be a part of the problem
Definitely. When we are sure that something went down a certain way, we need to speak out, and I am sure that is a big part of what the Professor wants to achieve with this board!
You and everyone else knows that what we are referring to is not provable by people in our positions… but I am not a moron. These programs that conduct business this way know full-well that I’m not a moron, and that’s why their tactics are so effective… because they know I can’t prove a thing.
Very true, and that is also where communication amongst each other is important. If it was done unto you, it was likely done unto more of us. Once we establish that, naming names is more appropriate. We may not have proof by ourselves, but the same thing happening to several people is some type of proof right there, albeit circumstantial.
I was only explaining my own stance on a lot of things. I wasn’t criticising anyone. I don’t think either one of you actually said anything that doesn’t work fine within the framework I set for myself.
Hi,
I’m with Integrity on this one. In this business more than most; to survive; you’ve got to call something that walks like a duck, and talks like a duck… a duck.
IMHO the biggest mistake made; I know for me it certainly was; was to give the program the benefit of the doubt.
you could very likely never make it if you happened on the wrong places first; which is what I did. I was loaded down with Iglobal, The Sands (since I don’t think it was Focal back then, it has taken me years to get to the meager earnings I make with them now, and I won’t miss them a bit – talk about wasted time and resources) and a slew of RTG parasites (quicksilver casino was one) that took Goodnesss knows how much from me, I know personally of over $10k I was never paid just by quicksilver, and that’s before the creep Mike Dibley locked me out of the stats.
you ever hear Mike Dibley’s name mentioned, you are a fool to hang around a second longer. He’s a thief and a liar and I’d love 5 min alone with him. (and I don’t care how big he is)
have to go roll one now and cool-off. Just the thought of that time in my life when I was practically living on peanut butter and a loaf of bread for groceries that week, catching a whale that lose over $10k in 2 weeks seemed like all my problems were solved, and i never saw a dime of it.
Newbies! Let my misfortune be a learning tool because I would save you that misery. Listen to what is said here and take it to heart.
There are no hidden agendas here. These things are brought up for a reason, not just because one of us woke up today and said, “guess I’ll go piss on my income today by making up stories about programs that owe me money”.
Its just that if you roll over and take what they will give you, and not what you have rightly earned, then you deserve what you get.
and believe me; it will be less and less especially when times get tough and those are the times you are going to need it the most.
Originally posted by Dominique If it was done unto you, it was likely done unto more of us…the same thing happening to several people is some type of proof right there, albeit circumstantial.[/B]
Actually, I dunno if it would even be circumstantial at that point.
If we were all scientists, and we conducted an experement which yielded the same result 20 times in a row, we could reasonably argue it was a fact.
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Thanks for the support, BB1… I got yer back as well!
In this industry I feel the need to be decisive. I am also the type to say what’s on my mind… although I admit I must pay extra close attention to remaining professional. 😎
I do not have a problem with Club Dice Casino. I wish they treated affiliates better, and I wish they were more accessable, and I wish they took our relationship as seriously as some of my other partners.
However, I have no plans of dropping them or blacklisting them. You don’t have to be friends with your business partners… although it’s nice when you are.
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Hi,
I started this thread 2 months ago and just thought I’d update it on how things have went for me since starting it.of the 4 programs that I tried to focus on, here’s my findings (keep in mind this is only two months into things and I think a much truer answer to my question lays yet 2 more months over the hill
Vegas Partners – still making about the same every month – perhaps a bit more.
Casino Rewards – has slightly increased but not head-turning results.
Wagershare has done the best of the bunch, increasing income by about 20% and as a result, has earned top spot honors – pushing CR slightly to the side.
Slotland – has not been doing as well as I expected; falling off a bit despite increased traffic.
I’ve also increased traffic to wager profits in the last 45 days, but have not had stellar results so far. I will give them more time as I feel I’ve found an excellent angle for pushing them, and can’t understand why I haven’t had more success as of yet, but the game is still early here.
