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  • #767255
    Anonymous
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    The way I am reading this, cpays is not an operator but webroute is.

    Please correct me if I got the wrong impression from this thread.

    #768456
    lois1975
    Member

    I dont usually get involved in this kind of stuff but I’ve had issues with CPays in the past and choose not to deal with them now but as for WebRoute Services and their team, the delectable Jamie being my main point of contact I can only speak of them with the highest regard.

    I have been to their offices in London, dined with them and speak daily to Jamie on MSN who answers all of my queries quickly and to my satisfaction but mostly we just chat, he works hard to maintain a good relationship with me as one of his affiliates, and I’m not the easiest person in the world to deal with LOL

    I have never had an issue with payment, always on time and for what my opinion is worth they are honest and open people to deal with.

    I have always found PlayTech sites hard to promote but Blackpool Club Bingo are performing really well for me and I know they are working hard to provide a bingo site that attracts the VIP players that we as affiliates love.

    Hope that helps you all in your decisions :)

    #768463
    edwin
    Member
    BallsUp;163271 wrote:
    I dont usually get involved in this kind of stuff but I’ve had issues with CPays in the past and choose not to deal with them now but as for WebRoute Services and their team, the delectable Jamie being my main point of contact I can only speak of them with the highest regard.

    I have been to their offices in London, dined with them and speak daily to Jamie on MSN who answers all of my queries quickly and to my satisfaction but mostly we just chat, he works hard to maintain a good relationship with me as one of his affiliates, and I’m not the easiest person in the world to deal with LOL

    I have never had an issue with payment, always on time and for what my opinion is worth they are honest and open people to deal with.

    I have always found PlayTech sites hard to promote but Blackpool Club Bingo are performing really well for me and I know they are working hard to provide a bingo site that attracts the VIP players that we as affiliates love.

    Hope that helps you all in your decisions :)

    I am positive that they are trying to turn their business around and I am sure that Jamie is a terrific affiliate manager and that they work great on your site, allthough I can hardly see any of them on the site you promote in your signature. But the point is , they are CPAYS they have cheated affiliates (cpays) and who is to say that they will not do so again?
    When an affiliate gets their stats shaved, highrollers removed its not always that easy to spot. DO you really want to risk it?

    #768469
    lois1975
    Member

    Admittingly they dont have main page exposure at the moment but that’s just because the site is changing at the moment, mine not theirs.

    I had the same problems with Cpays as you are talking about but I’m confident that this won’t happen with WebRoute whatever the history and feel happy with the relationship and conversions I am receiving at the moment.

    As with CPays when they messed me about, remove them and never to touch them again – trust for me is a two way street and in this business aren’t we all trusting that our stats are 100% correct. Are we ever truly 100% certain that we are getting all due to us?

    Thank you for your concern about me but I think I’ll be ok

    If in 6 – 12 months time Ive been ripped off by them feel free to tell me I TOLD YOU SO ;)

    #768470
    edwin
    Member
    BallsUp;163289 wrote:
    Admittingly they dont have main page exposure at the moment but that’s just because the site is changing at the moment, mine not theirs.

    I had the same problems with Cpays as you are talking about but I’m confident that this won’t happen with WebRoute whatever the history and feel happy with the relationship and conversions I am receiving at the moment.

    As with CPays when they messed me about, remove them and never to touch them again – trust for me is a two way street and in this business aren’t we all trusting that our stats are 100% correct. Are we ever truly 100% certain that we are getting all due to us?

    Thank you for your concern about me but I think I’ll be ok

    If in 6 – 12 months time Ive been ripped off by them feel free to tell me I TOLD YOU SO ;)

    I will. The point im making here is that they will not openly screw affiliates as they did before, that would undermine their entire operation which im sure cost them quite a bit.But them shaving is a certinty for me and you will not be able to spot it. So with all these great working bingo/casino and poker brands out there why would you go with Cpays/webrouteservices ?

    Just think about it for a while…

    #768475
    lois1975
    Member

    :) It’s one of many, the review is written and if it all does is sits there ticking over what effort has it cost me?

    As a whole I like the site and as I only started the site as a hobby cos I love bingo it is a bonus that I made money from it.

    #772256
    edwin
    Member
    Engineer;161698 wrote:
    Also — does anyone know if Cpays owns Webroute or not? Magent says they do; TheBoyMitchell says they don’t. Who’s right?

    I will wager you $10 000 that they are owned, run, managed, created and affiliated with CPAYS.com.

    And I only play surebets.

    #777132
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    All I can say with 100% certainty is that they are affiliated – I will triple the bet you are making. Webroute’s CEO Yoni Sidy was a former affiliate manager at Cpays. How he suddenly became the founder of Webroute is rather obvious considering that 1. he has no money personally to setup a new operation without the backing of adgency 2. Cpays was getting such a bad rap on the forums to the point of no return 3. the only way for adgency to get themselves out of this mess was to create a new entity (idea devised by the owners at adgency)

    Adgency then decides to create a new entity and move staff over to London to create both geographical separation from Israel. They pick Yoni because he has an english accent rather than an israeli one.

    They’ll do whatever they can to disassociate themselves but the truth is undeniable:

    The same cast of characters and the same people are directing both operations. Yoni is nothing but a pawn of Ad-gency. I work with a former employee at Cpays and the main guy (who shall be unnamed) is well known for pulling these type of tricks. The deal they do is probably some type of revenue sharing arrangement.

    I personally don’t care what they do but I hate the fact that they constantly and continually deny association when the same people are there.

    Believe what you want, but this is the 100% truth. If you want to line the pockets of the same people who ripped you off at cpays then signup with webroute.

    #777452
    Pngigdga
    Member
    tcasweb;174234 wrote:
    Webroute’s CEO Yoni Sidy was a former affiliate manager at Cpays. How he suddenly became the founder of Webroute is rather obvious considering that 1. he has no money personally to setup a new operation without the backing of adgency 2. Cpays was getting such a bad rap on the forums to the point of no return 3. the only way for adgency to get themselves out of this mess was to create a new entity (idea devised by the owners at adgency)

    Adgency then decides to create a new entity and move staff over to London to create both geographical separation from Israel. They pick Yoni because he has an english accent rather than an israeli one.

    They’ll do whatever they can to disassociate themselves but the truth is undeniable:

    The same cast of characters and the same people are directing both operations. Yoni is nothing but a pawn of Ad-gency. I work with a former employee at Cpays and the main guy (who shall be unnamed) is well known for pulling these type of tricks. The deal they do is probably some type of revenue sharing arrangement.

    I personally don’t care what they do but I hate the fact that they constantly and continually deny association when the same people are there.

    Believe what you want, but this is the 100% truth. If you want to line the pockets of the same people who ripped you off at cpays then signup with webroute.

    Hi tcasweb

    Sorry I missed your post when it came out and thanks to Magent for letting me know it was here.

    I’m pretty sure that this was all covered off a few months ago when I explained that Webroute is not Cpays, and that Webroute does not own Cpays, or Cpays own Webroute, but again I am having to post about this based on forum posts that are not backed up with anything other than speculation, which is pretty depressing.

    What is worse with this post though, is that tcasweb is making personal allegations about one of the members of this company, which isnt very kind, or gentlemanly. Lets go through them one at a time;

    Yoni Sidy was a former affiliate manager at Cpays. How he suddenly became the founder of Webroute is rather obvious

    Well, the only obvious thing about it is that he did what was recognised by someone to be a good job, and was subsequently recruited to a higher role in a different company. The gaming Affiliate Industry is quite small, and experienced staff are in short supply (I believe there is a thread about Affiliate Managers ages on another thread). So, whats the beef if someone moves to a different company and gets a better role?

    He has no money personally to setup a new operation without the backing of adgency

    To be fair I dont think either of us are qualified to comment on someones financial affairs. I certainly wouldnt do it with you.

    Cpays was getting such a bad rap on the forums to the point of no return

    No idea about the rep of CPays before I joined Webroute. Since I joined Webroute and started reading this site much closer I understand that there is a historical mistrust of CPays, and well, if thats the case then thats the case – I dont work for Cpays, and thats a job for them to sort out.

    the only way for adgency to get themselves out of this mess was to create a new entity (idea devised by the owners at adgency)

    I guess thats possible but isnt that what Affiliates United are supposed to be?

    Adgency then decides to create a new entity and move staff over to London to create both geographical separation from Israel. They pick Yoni because he has an english accent rather than an israeli one.

    Yeah see, this is where your argument is falling apart. Yoni is English. Born in London. All the staff here are English apart from one. That might explain why Yoni has an English accent – what next; amazement that people from France speak French? Incredulity that *I* can speak French? Really, this is totally baseless, and in rather bad taste in my opinion.

    I work with a former employee at Cpays and the main guy (who shall be unnamed) is well known for pulling these type of tricks

    No idea – I dont know who the main guy at Cpays is or what tricks he is well known for pulling.

    The deal they do is probably some type of revenue sharing arrangement.

    Not at all. Blackpool Club is our clients casino. We market on behalf of them in the same way that other companies market their clients brands.

    Believe what you want, but this is the 100% truth

    No its not.

    Its one of the perennial things about the internet that anyone can make comments about things, but it doesn’t help when the facts aren’t right. As I mentioned in previous threads, we are more than happy to meet up with you so you can put a face to our name (although, you’ll find my mug in my avatar). I understand that Magent is going to CAP Barcelona, but I dont know if tcasweb is.

    Again, here’s my mobile number 07815293507. Why dont you take the time to say Hello to us? We are all pretty friendly and all we want to do is show you who we are and what we do. I offered this 3 months ago at Cyprus, but I wasnt taken up on it. I think it would be good – if you are that convinced, then why not hear what we have to say face to face, and then make your decision from there?

    #777455
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I am all for people exposing rogue programs and bad affiliates but what you have written is without any proof or substance and actually threatens people’s livelihoods which personally I think is wrong – CAP is read by a hell of a lot of people so it is our responsibility to think before we write and understand what the exact affects of a post will be.

    Correct me if I am wrong but from what I can see in your post you have decided that Webroute is Cpays because

    1. Yoni worked at Cpays
    2. He has an English accent
    3. Yoni (in your opinion) has no money personally to set up a new operation
    3. Cpays was getting a bad rap in the forums

    So if any one wants to launch a new program and they hire an ex CPays person with English accent they are CPays…..

    Please understand I do not want to get into a debate with who owns who in the iGaming industry because frankly we could go on for hours as the sector is littered with conspiracy theories, all I am saying is that you shouldn’t simply post this kind of thing on people/companies using terms like “100% certainty” or “100% truth” without offering some kind of valid evidence as this more than certainly has a negative affect on the company and these individuals

    @tcasweb 174234 wrote:

    All I can say with 100% certainty is that they are affiliated – I will triple the bet you are making. Webroute’s CEO Yoni Sidy was a former affiliate manager at Cpays. How he suddenly became the founder of Webroute is rather obvious considering that 1. he has no money personally to setup a new operation without the backing of adgency 2. Cpays was getting such a bad rap on the forums to the point of no return 3. the only way for adgency to get themselves out of this mess was to create a new entity (idea devised by the owners at adgency)

    Adgency then decides to create a new entity and move staff over to London to create both geographical separation from Israel. They pick Yoni because he has an english accent rather than an israeli one.

    They’ll do whatever they can to disassociate themselves but the truth is undeniable:

    The same cast of characters and the same people are directing both operations. Yoni is nothing but a pawn of Ad-gency. I work with a former employee at Cpays and the main guy (who shall be unnamed) is well known for pulling these type of tricks. The deal they do is probably some type of revenue sharing arrangement.

    I personally don’t care what they do but I hate the fact that they constantly and continually deny association when the same people are there.

    Believe what you want, but this is the 100% truth. If you want to line the pockets of the same people who ripped you off at cpays then signup with webroute.

    #777460
    edwin
    Member

    I for one am already 100% convinced Webrouteservices are Cpays. At this point im just trying to get you to realize it. Wether you know it or not and just denying it because its your job well, thats understandable I suppose.

    When you first popped up, webrouteservices blackpoolclubcasino under the poker section was a direct banner add(no affiliate link) to pokerroomschool – why would anyone do this if they are not affiliated with cpays who own pokerroomschool?

    Why did one of the former lead artists for CPays create the entire betmost poker skin while employed by cpays? Betmost poker is one of your brands right? http://darklight.co.il/casino_portfolio.htm (scroll down to see betmost poker).

    Why did you have the same IP as the servers where Cpays was hosted? With hosting being as cheap as it is, why in hell would anyone ever do something like this? borrowed hosting to you.. oh please.

    I also spoke to another ex employee at cpays who tells me that he was there when they came up with the name for the casino : Blackpool and that both Yoni and Idan were toying with the idea to call it blue velvet casino.
    This is a guy I use for my work and I trust what he is saying more than anyone.

    So we have : Lead Cpays designer designing your pokerroom.
    Shared hosting with Cpays
    Pokerroomschool ad on the blackpoolclub poker part with a direct link
    Ex uk manager for cpays as the ceo at webrouteservices.
    and finally the big kicker… an ex employee at cpays who swears to me that he was present when they came up with the brand name “blackpool”.

    There is atleast some evidence or plausable confirmation that you are infact Cpays is there not?

    Also.. it has been mentioned that Cpays launched affiliates united around the same time as webrouteservices was formed, to repair their name, and shouldnt this have been their way to battle those testy affiliates who dont want to have their hard earned money stolen from them.

    Well wouldnt it be smarter to create a shell affiliates united program at the same time as webrouteservices get created which they dont even use anymore just to be able to say this very thing? why would webrouteservices be cpays, they created aff united during the same time so they cant be to blame.

    Believe me I have no wish to speak to any of you in person because I already have the proof I need to be satisfied. The point of this whole reply is to get other affiliates to see the light of day and not get fooled by your tricks to dominate the market.

    Cheers Mitchell, im sure you are a nice guy who is quite capable at his position and this is no personal attack on you. We just dont want to risk our hard earned traffic on a program owned and managed by cpays who everyone knows is crooked.

    #777467
    Pngigdga
    Member
    Magent;174622 wrote:
    Cheers Mitchell, im sure you are a nice guy who is quite capable at his position and this is no personal attack on you. We just dont want to risk our hard earned traffic on a program owned and managed by cpays who everyone knows is crooked.

    No worries fella – thanks for the compliment. I try my best! Now how about a beer in Barcelona?

    #777515
    biggyg
    Member

    There is probably nobody on the planet who hates cpays as much as I do.But as a human being I have to say that I have enjoyed my email communication with Neil.He has been very fair person to deal with and I see few others here feel the same.

    #777530
    Pngigdga
    Member

    Whoop!

    Thanks cbg! Its comments like that that make the job worthwhile. I really appreciate it!

    #777599
    minalchotai
    Member

    iv been working with Neil @ webrouteservices since early this year and I’ve been very happy with their work.

    I speak with neil everyday on msn, even tho somedays I just want a chat, neil is always happy to chat! Neil has helped me make a LOT of money this year, and I havent a bad word to say about him or webrouteservices.

    if you are reading this thread, and it is urging you not to work with webroute, then i strongly urge you to give it a try. get in touch with neil and get working on something, because you wont regret it!

    so what if their ceo used to work for a company that was dodgy? it doesnt mean yoni is dodgy does it!!!!???

    if you have HARD FACTS then post them, until them, stop slating webrouteservices for no reason please :-)

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