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You made a big mistake there Vipprofits,
this will cost you more as what you think you would have earned with itRelax elgoog!
We are not doing anything different than what other programs have done. Actually you are an affiliate of United Partner Program as in your sig file and here is what they say in their terms and conditions
Quote:10. Long Term Relationship. We look forward to a long and prosperous relationship with all of our partners. Nominally, you will enjoy a share of the revenue from players you attract for one full year from the date of each player’s registration. However, you can easily extend that in perpetuity by continuing to actively promote our gaming properties. As long as you are bringing in new real-money players in good faith, we will keep renewing your existing player base indefinitely.and also
Quote:16. Modifications. AWA reserves the right to modify or amend this Agreement at any time. If it is amended or modified, you will be notified by email through the email address we have on record for you at the time of the notification. Please keep your email address up-to-date and make sure it is accurate.I am not saying what they are doing is wrong, but just pointing out the same terms that we have as an example even though it is a little more vague.
Taken from http://www.unitedpartnerprogram.com/about/agreement.html?l=en
16. Modifications. AWA reserves the right to modify or amend this Agreement at any time. If it is amended or modified, you will be notified by email through the email address we have on record for you at the time of the notification. Please keep your email address up-to-date and make sure it is accurate.
This is a catchall clause everyone has someplace in some form.
It is always added in by lawyers but legally unenforceable. Contracts cannot be capriciously altered at any time by one partner or they are not contracts and useless to start with.
While this has nothing to do with me personally anymore, I sure don’t like what I am seeing here.
thank you Simon for answering my post
the difference with AWA and Vipprofits is ….
i get them loads of new players
and i am not expecting to bring you 3 players soon or in a certain timeand my name is spelled “elgoog”
and yes , you made me upset
thank you
Instead of gettin mad , just dont promote them
That is a stupid clause they have in there t&c , if you send a player you should be payed on him for the lifetme of his account , no ifs and or butts .
Its time certin programs stopped trying to screw there affiliates
q.e.d.
ty offsuit
Sorry, but these new terms are a deal breaker for me.
What we are trying to stop are writing small checks that most of them are undeliverable and turn out to be more expensive to write than they are worth (basically $15, $20 a month checks).
Then why not deal with those situations on a case by case basis? Why not raise the minimum payout (for checks) to $200? Problem solved.
It doesn’t matter if you don’t plan on actively enforcing these new terms — the fact that the clause is there is enough for me to send my traffic elsewhere (i.e. to programs that don’t have predatory “minimum referral” clauses). Even if they don’t accept U.S. players.
Nothing personal, but I would never promote any program with this clause (knowingly). If the cost of checks is an issue, then by all means make it clear that this cost is offset against affiliate earnings, I’m sure no-one would have a problem with that.
But my personal feeling is if I have sent a customer to a casino under an existing agreement, and they continue to profit from that customer, then I would expect the bounty for the same period, irrespective as to whether I continue to promote that property or not.
Furthermore, to apply this retroactively to past agreements is also unethical.
Cheers
Simmo!
Simmo! hit the nail on the head.
I have looked at everyones account here who has posted and these changes do not affect any of you as you either have:-
1) Never been affiliate of 9am nor VIP
2) Not sent any players in the past, or got no active players under you
3) You have sent over 3 depositors in the last three monthsSo I am unsure why you are jumping on the band wagon of complaining when you clearly have not demostrated a reason to do so. If you are one of the affiliates who falls in this cat. which I can assure you I could not see from looking at any of your stats for the ones I could find then we are open to listening and working with you.
Just for the record, I wasn’t complaining Simon, merely feeding back. It’s entirely up to you if you consider it “useful” feedback or not of course but in my experience, all feedback is good
Look at it from the aff’s POV…it’s not a good clause. You have to expect some criticism, especially when you are applying it to existing agreements. That is guaranteed to get everyone involed – it’s a loop we’ve been through before and it prompted very heated debate.
I agree. I was giving feedback as well…. and explaining why I would not promote a casino or program with such a predatory clause.
I certainly have not fed a lot of players to your group (I think only a couple), but I SHOULD have a lifetime of earnings on them and not have to worry about this NEW piece of your T&C’s that I did NOT sign up under.
It is just my stance that I would never promote a casino with these terms knowingly. I will have to check all aff programs T&C’s now to make sure I am NOT promoting a casino with this type of clause as I do not want to give away good traffic.
Thanks for listening!
Simon,
Affiliate programs should not be doing things to raise affiliates blood pressure. It’s bad business.
Any changes made to terms and conditions should be for new affiliates who sign up after you change them. Meanwhile, you are changing your terms and conditions at a time when advertising sports betting is a risky thing. I for one stopped promoting sports altogether, however I have sent hundreds of players to you in the past. So your saying that I am an exception. Well that may be, for now. But what about 6 months from now when I haven’t sent you a player in 6 months. Then I just lose my income that I worked so hard to build up.
Also, what about those of us who depend on search terms, if we had a search term and lost it, we stop sending traffic, however we could regain that traffic again at some time in the future.
Also, checking stats on who is speaking up and talking about it publicly in the forum is amateur-ish. These people, like Simmo, are speaking up for the normal people in this industry who don’t give a shit about frequenting these forums.
The reality is, in an industry that has screwed over affiliates more than once, doing anything at a time like we’re in right now only makes you look highly suspicious and your explanation that writing $20 checks is costing you too much money is ridiculous to those of us that know you guys are making billions.
Not to mention, if bonusstreak didn’t point this out, most of us would have never found out about it until we suddenly lost our income. You say you would have written to us, but now we have to take the word of a guy in an industry known for screwing over affiliates.
I am giving feedback too, because it ticks me off to see programs sneak in these predatory clauses, and even if I did not fall into the scenario your talking about right now who is to say I would not in the near future.
Your right it is our choice, and my choice is to take down all banners and not deal with a shady program, what you have done is shady in my eyes, this has been done before and the affiliates were not pleased, why you think we would be ok with this now is beyond me.
