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Well since you obviously agree on the principle of rewritable cookies
You must have misread my comment. I have never agreed on rewritable cookies. What I meant was that I don’t have a problem with a cookie set to expire within a week or two. To me – whether the cookie will expire in two weeks or it could be rewritten in two weeks makes no difference. If a player I’ve refered doesn’t sign within 2 weeks, I guess I don’t have a right to bitch
But I don’t approve of the option to re-write my cookie virtually instantly.I guess it is a matter of time, but I don’t see the point you are trying to make. My point is that BET365 never disclosed that the cookie will be re-written, on the contrary, according to the their T&C, the player is tracked to you for the 45 days the cookie is active. I find this deceiving and I would’ve never signed up with them if they did not misled me ( I do read T&Cs).
Here is a question to Bet 365: Let’s say a player opens a review of Bet 365 on the Gooners and My Website in two new tabs, bu the same IE session. The player clicks on Bet 365 link on My Website and then clicks on Bet 365 on Gooners. Then the player closes all windows and goes directly to Bet365 dot com. To whom will that player belong???
I don’t think life-time cookies are a good idea, but I would not have problem with them since no one keeps a computer for 2 years
Virus scans also have the tendency of deleting cookies.@ebwin 183170 wrote:
Bet365 has a lot of problems recently.They should do something to get the trust from affiliates.
I strongly agree with you!
I have sent a few emails to bet365 aff team, but their replies didn’t satisfy me.=========================
For example, please have a look at this post:
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/revenue-of-closed-player.31006.html?bet365 is scaring me, especially a player has played for months, deposited more than 50 times, and turnover is around $40000, but some day this player was blocked for some reasons. The affiliate will suck all the winnings of this player. Remember, aff can’t control players. It’s the house to recognize the bad apple. Aff already took the 30% responsibility when the player won. It’s not right to let the aff take 100%. bet365 is non-lose in this situation.
Hi,
When an account is suspended, irrespective of how that player has done (win or lose) all the revenues associated with that player are reversed.
I have sent you a PM so that I can look into this negative figure for you
Kind Regards
Kelly
Quote:bet365 is scaring me, especially a player has played for months, deposited more than 50 times, and turnover is around $40000How do you know this? I can’t see that bet365 has reports for individual players.
@Stupid 183328 wrote:
Here is a question to Bet 365: Let’s say a player opens a review of Bet 365 on the Gooners and My Website in two new tabs, bu the same IE session. The player clicks on Bet 365 link on My Website and then clicks on Bet 365 on Gooners. Then the player closes all windows and goes directly to Bet365 dot com. To whom will that player belong???
That player would belong to the Gooner, as this was the session opened last with an affiliate cookie. It does not matter if this is in another tab in any browser.
This is quite an extraordinary scenario though.One another note, we consider the affiliate referring last a visitor to bet365 should be rewarded when the visitor converts as a player. Indeed, we consider that the last affiliate added more value to the visitor as that affiliate made the player convert.
It’s far from extraordinary scenario. With both IE and Firefox offering Tab browsing, that’s how most people go about the internet now, I know I do.
we consider the affiliate referring last a visitor to bet365 should be rewarded when the visitor converts as a player. Indeed, we consider that the last affiliate added more value to the visitor as that affiliate made the player convert.
In the above scenario, how did Gooner contribute and add more value? The Gooner did not add any value, he just happened to be the last site open, pure luck, that’s all. This is free advertising and as I said, I don’t do this. With Tab browsing, if a potential player types “bet365 review” on Google and opens the first three results (just as described in the previous comment), Bet365 will reward the website ranking #3 and the website ranking #1 has no chance.
Also, you should go about this issue honestly and change your website’s FAQ to refelct that the players you refer are not guaranteed at all for 45 days. It’s only the fair thing to do.
P.S. Gooner, mate, I hope you don’t take it the wrong way that I used you as an example.
Lifetime cookies should scare the xxx out of affiliates. They are open to abuse and have been abused extensively back when they were common. They can put the majority of affs plain out of business.
As far as my preferred tracking goes, it is two week or one month overwriteable cookies. It can be argued that the last site finally convinced the player to sign, but the first site did the branding and that branding laid the ground work for the conversion. Branding installs trust and is way too underrated in this business.
Since IE also has tabs now, the described scenario is quite common I think. I use IE that way all the time.
the affiliate referring last a visitor to bet365 should be rewarded when the visitor converts as a player
Oh, and correct me if I am wrong, but in the previous example, Gooner will get credit for the player even if the player signs up through my link, i.e. the player opens my site, then Gooners website, but signs through my link. Becuase the player last opened Gooner’s website, he will get the credit. How is THAT fair in any way you look at it?!?
@Stupid 183485 wrote:
Oh, and correct me if I am wrong, but in the previous example, Gooner will get credit for the player even if the player signs up through my link, i.e. the player opens my site, then Gooners website, but signs through my link. Becuase the player last opened Gooner’s website, he will get the credit. How is THAT fair in any way you look at it?!?
In the example you gave you did not mention the scenario where the player would sign up through your tracking URL, then clicked on The Gooner tracking URL. It is clear that if the player signs up through your tracking URL and then clic on TheGooner tracking URL from the second tab the player would be attributed to you.
@Stupid 183485 wrote:
Also, you should go about this issue honestly and change your website’s FAQ to refelct that the players you refer are not guaranteed at all for 45 days. It’s only the fair thing to do.
I take your point and we’ll see how we can reflect this cookie overwriting in our Ts and Cs and /or FAQs.
@Stupid 183472 wrote:
It’s far from extraordinary scenario. With both IE and Firefox offering Tab browsing, that’s how most people go about the internet now, I know I do.
Hold on we need to be clear on the scenario here.
I agree that a player can open two different affiliates websites on different tabs, but he will usually click on the tracking URL of the one which offers more value and makes him decide to sign up.
The visitor will usually find all info on the affiliates website and would compare the affiliates websites to decide where he would buy.
What seems “extraordinary” to me is the following:
1. visitor has two tabs opened on two affiliates websites
2. visitor clics on both afiliates tracking URLs
3. visitor leaves and close the browser
4. visitor visits bet365 directly and signs up
Why would the visitor actually clic on both tracking URL without signing up? All the info the visitor needs is on the affiliates’ sites, and the visitor will only click on a tracking URL when he wants to sign up immediately.
I do not say that the 4 steps above never happen, what i say is that it’s far from being the common behavior.I hope this makes sense?
I see you are beating around the bush
Let me break down what I mean, and I believe that 4 out of 5 players will be included in my scenario:
A player searches Google for “sportsbook reviews”. My website is #1, Gooners website comes #2. Most players will open at least the first 2 results, lets say the player opens just My Website and Gooners. No matter the browser, most players will open the two websites in Tabs, i.e. the same IE session. Naturally My Website will be opened first, then Gooners.
Now, on My Website Bet 365 is listed as the #1 sportsbook, along with brief review, on the Gooners is #3 with a brief review. Common sence dictates that the player will read my review first (browsing left-to-right). At the bottom of the review I have a link “click here to get 100 pounds free from Bet 365” and the player clicks on it and new window opens with the Bet 365 website and my cookie is stored on the player’s browser. At this time there are 2 possible scenarios:
a.) the player says “Let me see what the other website says before I sign up”, which is perfectly normal; closes my Bet 365 referring window and goes on to read Gooners review. At the bottom of the Gooners review there is a link “Learn more about Bet 365”, the player clicks the window and it goes to Bet 365, the player confidently signs up. At this time however, my cookie is over-written by Gooners and I get no credit, even though I advertise Bet 365 on my top spot and Gooner has it as #3. I am also the one sparking the interest in Bet 365, since it’s my #1 sportsbook, yet if the player visited Gooners website, it would have likely gone with his #1 or #2 sportsbook. What do I get for ranking Bet 365 at the #1 spot? ZERO
b). the player says “let me read the review on the other website”, doesn’t close my Bet 365 and goes to Gooners. Clicks on the link “Learn more about Bet 365”, but when the player finds out that it also leads to Bet 365, it closes Gooners window and goes back to mine and signs up. I still get no credit, because my cookie was just over-written by Gooner’s link a second ago. What do I get for ranking Bet 365 at the #1 spot? ZERO
Either way, I am the one who drove the player to Bet 365, but I get zero credit. That’s how last click cookies work and that’s why I am against them and will drop any program that uses it. Neither of these scenarios would have worked, if the cookie was mine for a week or two. And that’s why I said you guys are trying to get free advertisement from websites ranking higher.
The scenarios described above will occur at least 80% of the time. Maybe a player will open the first 3 websites, or the first 5, but it will all be the same – the first website actually driving the player to Bet365 (if bet 365 is highly ranked) will get screwed at the end.
I prefer the scenario where I get the credit even though he goes nowhere near my website.
The scenario above and 100’s like them can be painted, and you can argue either way on many of them, but the CORRECT response is ALWAYS to give the customer to GOONER.
:roflmao:Seriously though …
Being #1 on Google (or any ranking on any site) does not give an automatic right to own the customer. In the end I think the the most recent cookie (last clicked) is the better solution when it comes to finding the site that makes the sale. To me it makes mroe sense than first clicked.
(Oh – and Bet365 are my #1 site for most UK and European sports punters … falling to #3 for US sports coverage.
Check the Bookmaker Review guide for details )It’s really hard to keep everyone happy whatever tracking solution is in place it seems.
I am trying to understand each scenario which was described, and i believe i replied in the most transparent way. I would love all programs to be as transparent and explain how they do it… Or maybe that would be something to do for Affiliate Guard Dog?I also would like to re-assure everybody on our tracking as well. Some posts on this thread were written by Chinese affiliates. We all know that China is doing all they can to block access to gambling sites in China, and this involves ever changing tracking URLs.
I am however confident that our tracking solution works.I’m not really sure what the problem is here…cookie ‘overwriting’ is part and parcel of affiliate marketing on the internet general. Its one of those things.
If you feel you are losing players then you need to create more sites out there for your niche or specific keywords. Then you’ll have more of a chance of picking up the playersIf you feel you are losing players then you need to create more sites out there for your niche or specific keywords. Then you’ll have more of a chance of picking up the players
Why would I go through all this trouble when I can simply switch the aff program and achieve the same results in seconds?
