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This ended up being a good thread and classics contributed quite a bit thanks. I wish I was more technical to get more out of it.
I don’t think i have done anything tricky regarding my site http://www.casinogames.com as I don’t know how. I hope my programers have not done anything without my knowledge.
The only change I had made for some time was doing some home page links, all manual, to quality sites with similiar content and all with decent PR.
I expected a boast from my PR6 at the time and never in my wildest dreams did I envision a drop to 0. They said there would be times like these:ohno:
Brian
hmmm – could that possibly be the problem?
So homepage links designed to increase your PR … I think that is something GOOGLE clearly states that you should NOT do!
I believe I mentioned that nearly a year ago or more – that it was a bad idea to over do it the homepage links EG more than 10 is a really bad idea IMHO.
Maybe google picks up on the % of change in a particular page – so if a page changes more than say 52.265% its considered a new page and thus back to zero? If you had just added those links on the homepage it could be either theory at work.
In any case I do NOT think this has anything to do with duplicate content!
Maybe google has just decided to black-ball gaming and casino sites alltogether. I could deal with idiots if they at least followed a predictable, easy-to-see set of rules that applied to everyone.
Utilize acceptable coding methods and obey the guidelines and you should NOT have any major problems.
http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html
But your remarks really bring to mind KISS – keep it simple stupid.
Dont over think whats going on – stick with what you know and concentrate on the basics
Originally posted by arkyt
stick with what you know and concentrate on the basics:p If I stick to what I know that wouldn’t be much!
I see my Yahoo, MSN, and AOL rankings are still unchanged. Strange, because Google supposedly influenced AOL, I think…
So to hell with figuring them out. For all I know next month I’ll have a PR6 and be in the top 5 on terms I didn’t optimize for… and I’ll be just as confused as now.
Figuring out Google is like trying to figure out your wife: You do everything you can to do everything just the way she wants it done, and she still get’s pissed and you’re still sleeping on the couch wondering “what the hell did I do wrong?”
:p :p :p
:suicide:
I tend to agree with you arkyt, I was doing pretty good just mosy ing along, tried to jump into the game and I went from 6 to 0.
As it is not grey (i don’t think so) I was wondering if I removed all the tags at the bottom would it be possible that it would go back to 6?
This site is going thru an entire revamp but i definately do not want to get into the penalize mode prior to this.
What do you think about removing the links? Did most of you who had similiar experiance have lots of links on the home page?
Brian
The number of links on a homepage has nothing to do with it. I dont want to name anyone, but there are some webmasters with very spammy sites with 100 or so homepage links that have top 10 listings.
Antoine
its only a matter of time before those idiots get zapped heh
Islandman, the toolbar showing white for your main page has nothing to do with PR.
If you are refering to casinogames.com, then the poor linking arykt is refering to may be leading to a penalty but this is like 1000-1 since the duplicate content problem is obvious:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:casinogames.com&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&safe=off&filter=0
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22These+are+the+Net%27s+best+games%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&safe=off&filter=0My popup blocker is blocking whatever you are using, so maybe there is some issue there but I can’t see it.
Originally posted by antoine
I really dont understand how google could take this http://googlesucks.com and this http://www.googlesucks.com to be 2 different pages with duplicant content. It’s the same index page for crying out loud. Are they really that backwards?They aren’t backwards. You just said they are duplicate pages on two different URLs. What is to not understand? The same content on two different pages is bad. But Google can usually pick out the canonical page when given two choices (even if PR will be split for obvious reasons). Sites that have dozens of duplicates are of course going to be more difficult to judge properly.
I really fail to see how you consider that to be duplicate content, those look like affiliate links to me. If affiliate links caused this then google should remove the 3 biggest sinners, namely amazon, ebay, and itself.
Originally posted by Classics
You just said they are duplicate pages on two different URLs. What is to not understand?For we ignorant types, it’s simple to see where we don’t get it:
I created ONE index page… just one.
Google sees TWO index pages… TWO… but I only built ONE.
What’s confusing and frustrating is that Google has chosen to do this in the face of common sense. We create one page, but because of a technical loophole they choose to see two pages… and then penalize for it.
Sorry Classics, I respect your knowledge on the issue, but Google is shoveling a load of crap.
It is certainly not crap, and a very good thing they seem to be trying to accomplish.
First, I’m still no tech guy, but some servers are set up so that site.com and http://www.site.com *must* serve up the same content. In this case, I’ve never heard of a problem in terms of duplictae content (in terms of splitting the PR, yes that likely will still occur, and should since PR is strictly based on URL linking and knows nothing about content, or even if a page exists or not.) Other servers are set up so content on site.com and http://www.site.com *could* be different. In this case, it’s like any page. If you make duplicates on site.com/page1.htm and site.com/page2.htm, I certainly hope Google detects that and doesn’t rank both pages. Likewise there is no reason to seperately rank duplicate content on subdomain1.site.com and subdomain2.site.com including the www subdomain.
“I really fail to see how you consider that to be duplicate content, those look like affiliate links to me.”
They are being indexed as different URLs. How is Google supposed to know that site.com/index.php?123 is supposed to be a unique page but site2.com/index.php?123 is supposed to be an affiliate tag? Obviously it can’t. Affiliate links don’t cause problems. Having the exact same content on different URLs does, and it is easy to avoid the problem.
Google got a lot better at indexing query string URLs last year, and as a result a ton of complete garbage both got into the index, and also led to millions of duplicate pages offering anchor text links. The search engines have to figure out a way to filter out all these “noise” pages since nobody wants duplicate pages ranking. Clearly this is a work in progress on Google’s part and I definitely don’t think they have a good solution at this point, but you can make things a lot easier by making your linking consistent and not deliberately creating dupicates.
There are quite few threads on this on different webmaster boards. Webmasterworld has one called “Page rank to 0 only on 1 page” with one person stating that while this happened to his site, he still shows PR in the Google Directory so the toolbar PR display showing white is just some glitch in the process.
Originally posted by Classics
Clearly this is a work in progress on Google’s part and I definitely don’t think they have a good solution at this point…Well, at least I can completely agree with you on that!!!!
Originally posted by Classics
…but you can make things a lot easier by making your linking consistent and not deliberately creating dupicates.What’s done is done. I hired a company to get me good quality links that were solidly relevent from good PR pages. I just have to take the version of my site (www or no www) with the lesser amount of links and tell Google to ignore it by using that code trick you were talking about.
Help anyone? ……..Anyone?
…..Bueller?
…..Bueller?
Google sees TWO index pages… TWO… but I only built ONE.
What’s confusing and frustrating is that Google has chosen to do this in the face of common sense.
… but Google is shoveling a load of crap. [/B]
Yes 99% of users build only 1 – thus Google would NOT penalize / filter in light of common sense … That makes NO sense at all!
I dont think its google shoveling that load of crap.
Again dont try and over think the obvious.
