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Hi Brian,
I have a series of sites which for some reason got delisted from Google.
The sites in question are:
http://www.bet-the-nfl.com
http://www.bet-ncaa-football.com
http://www.nfl-2004-schedule.comI hope this is just because they are updated their database and is a temp. thing, but I am unsure.
Very concerning to say the least.
Nearly all my sites with PR dropped, with the exception of the none gaming related sites (hope this means nothing).
Take care,
WOW!
Check out what I just posted in the APCW forum:
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3476
This has begun happening recently to sites that are sloppily webmastered.
Basically it is all about inconsistent linking that leads to duplicate content. Having some links to http://www.site.com/index.html and some to site.com and others to http://www.site.com etc will often confuse the bots.
Classics,
Can you please elaborate as I am at my wits end trying to work out what happened to the sites I listed as they started to do well and then disappeared from google as so:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=bet-the-nfl.com
Originally posted by Classics
Basically it is all about inconsistent linking that …will often confuse the bots.Classics,
You’re telling me that Google Bots… which can catch all sorts of seo tricks… which can index billions of pages every month… which can now read some elements of Flash… is “confused” because half my links go to integritycasinoguide.com and half go to http://www.integritycasinoguide.com ?
If that’s true, why would Google be so incompetent in this area? It’s not an SEO trick… its just how people enter out links on their sites. How can they penalize us for something beyond our control? And, if we are penalized, why the “zero”s with no grey bar?
Oh, that explains it! When I was just starting, I didn’t know what the hell I was doing – I had links coming to http://site.com AND to [url]http://www.site.com.[/url]
After I smartened up, I started linking only to the one which included the “www”, but never went back and changed the others.
Aha!
Thanks, Classics.
No wonder google is full of spam. The only webmasters who can get in are those who need to focus 12 hours a day on learning what google wants instead of unique content.
“is “confused” because half my links go to integritycasinoguide.com and half go to http://www.integritycasinoguide.com ?”
Google has as a goal recently eliminating duplicate content. In general this is clearly a good goal. No one wants ten duplicate sites appearing first in the serps as site-1.com, site-2.com, etc.
You are deliberately choosing to confuse Google. At times they are better sorting out sloppy webmastering, but now, with the emphasis on detecting duplicates, they are much less forgiving. integritycasinoguide.com and http://www.integritycasinoguide.com are different pages, period. They could have different content on them if you wanted to. The fact that they don’t doesn’t change the fact that they could have different content. If a webmaster cares about what asearch engine thinks, you should make it easy for the engine, not hard, and certainly not hard over something trivial.
“If that’s true, why would Google be so incompetent in this area?”
They are not incompetent in this case. They are too competent. They detected the duplicate content. What they have to do then is determine the canonical page, and rank that.
“How can they penalize us for something beyond our control?”
It’s not beyond your control. Use a 301 redirect to redirect site.com to http://www.site.com; make internal links absolute not relative; etc.
“And, if we are penalized, why the “zero”s with no grey bar?”
I don’t know whether you are penalized or not. That doesn’t relate to what I wrote. The duplicate content is normally filtered, not penalized. One result shows, the others don’t.
See here:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22almost+2,000+online+casinos%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&safe=off&filter=0
Your top result was cached on the 26th, the bottom one on the 22nd.Your bigger problem may be http://www.integrity-casino-guide.com hanging on as a supplemental result. That’s obviously a much more troubling duplicate than the difference between www and non-www. Perhaps when that Supplemental result disappears you won’t have problems. (I’ve only look a little at your sites so I’m just speculating.)
Simoneaton,
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=www.bet-the-nfl.com
You look to have a similar issue(s). Get rid of your internal links to http://www.bet-the-nfl.com/index.html, make all the links to http://www.bet-the-nfl.com/But then the nature of your sites is to have a lot of duplicate content in any case, like your lines page comes from http://www.vipsports.com/lines.asp?action=lines&league=NFL&framesize=470
Maybe others won’t agree, but Google should not rank this page. It should index the VIP sports one. The world doesn’t need to have thousands of these duplicate pages in the index.On the other hand, you have a lot of similar sites. Without looking at them, perhaps you have some interlinking, or duplicate content, or bad neighborhood linking issue.
Fergie, yes you should fix those asap. The duplicate problems are one thing, but on a more basic level linking to site.com sometimes and http://www.site.com other times splits up your pagerank in a way that just throws part of it away.
Google does see site.com, http://www.site.com as different pages. Even if you get links from all your partners to the www. site it’s possible someone can submit your site manually. I believe this trick is just as worse as getting bad links.
To get around the issue put a 301 redirect in your .htaccess file. I’m not an expert on 301 redirects myself so you’ll have to do a search for the info. basicaly redirect your www. site to your non www. site or vice versa.
Classics,
First, thanks for such an in-depth reply. I know that took time and I appreciate it.
Second, I hope you do not think I was being argumentative. I admit my ignorance in the technical side of this business. It just seems that sometimes being “too competent” may just be a bit incompetent.
What I mean is… what’s to stop me from manually submitting your links to FFA farms? Maybe do one FFA for 10,000 links with the “www” and another 10,000 without the “www”. Wouldn’t that cause you Google troubles? And isn’t that beyond your control?
Now, I have no idea how to do this 301 stuff you’re talking about… so I must research.
As for the integrity-casino-guide.com site, that’s where I host my videos so that they don’t eat up all my space. Should I do a “no index” code in the head of that page? Right now it’s just a re-direct.
“Wouldn’t that cause you Google troubles?”
Yes. Google says a person can do “almost nothing” to hurt another site, but linking to a domain can hurt it, hurt its topical theme, and especially if say an innocent site has thirty links to http://www.site.com, and some bad person make 10,000 links to site.com On the other hand, that doesn’t make the pages disappear, just maybe make site.com rank higher, which would then actually not be a negative.
I’m not a tech guy, so I won’t try to tell you how to do a 301, but using .htaccess is correct
You could no index integrity-casino-guide.com, or you could just put up a page that was completely different than what you have on the main domain. Perhaps a good idea for you would be to put up a near blank page with just a single link to your main domain (so anybody ending up there can get to the right place and any PR you have going to the old one is sent on too). I’d then link to this new page on the old domain, so Google sees that the content there now is completely different than what is on the main domain.
Classics
Thanks for the indepth reply…
I will reconsider the design of all my sites to not include duplicate content, as this seems to be the main cause.
Nice job, Classics
I have the opposite problem… I kept my PR, but my SERP dropped from 12 to 32… LOL…
AS integrity indicated it would be so easy for your competition to directly affect your sites in a negative way. Something Google clearly states is not possible …
Linking to all your competition with “www.site.com” and then with “site.com” maybe toss in a few “www.site.com/index.ext” and while doing so link to each from different sites. In other words trick google into believing those sites are duplicate content and thus have them “filtered out.”
I dont know many people that link to their pages/sites using httpx://www.mysite.com/page1.html and then turn around and link to it as httpx://mysite.com/page1.html … that would not only be sloppy but incompetent! If those links were originating from the same IP then and only then might Google filter one out.
If that were the case, I would surmise that the bots would be capable of determining which one to filter – assuming it was a unique coding mistake. If the entire site is in shambles – let the webmaster/site get filtered entirely – that’s what they deserve!
I don’t think the PR issues are related to “duplicate content” and moreover believe the redirects are NOT a necessity for the competent webmasters.
I really dont understand how google could take this http://googlesucks.com and this http://www.googlesucks.com to be 2 different pages with duplicant content. It’s the same index page for crying out loud. Are they really that backwards?
