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October 5, 2005 at 7:14 pm #590477AnonymousInactive
Just trying to get an idea of who is a canadian affiliate on CAP…so I could possibly get some guidance on how to get the ball rolling for promoting my sites in canada? offline advertising? flyers/mailers/etc? strictly seo? I be beleive the laws differ slightly between canada and the US.. so im just trying to see what some fellow canadians are up to! thanks in advance
CoreyOctober 5, 2005 at 8:48 pm #673854AnonymousInactive
I am Canadian, not he beer either. I’m from the gambling capitol of Canada, Winnipeg. The laws are a bit different but your offering is information about online gambling, that can easily be challeged. the pontential in Canada is amazing especially in my province.October 5, 2005 at 9:48 pm #673860AnonymousInactive
i live in canada and my lawyer doesn’t allow me to host in canada, or solicit canadian customers.October 5, 2005 at 10:11 pm #673863AnonymousInactive
Dang , thats rough that even the lawyer says its a no-no…thanks for the input so far guys!…and Greek..im front winnipeg too! but i dont live there anymore! lol
KFOctober 5, 2005 at 10:53 pm #673866AnonymousInactive
I am pretty sure of this. Totally legal to have a gambling information site in Canada. Go to mts.net you will find a advertisment for online poker tournaments in Regina. But just in case be sure your server is outside of Canada. A lawyer saying its a no-no is misinformed. Consider also, the internet is very tough to regulate. I know several canadians who have been doing this stuff for years.
The whole thing just doesn’t make sense. Its okay to put up a porn site but not a gambling information site. I would wager on my viewpoint.
Anyway another cold miserable day in the peg, snow, rain, and hurricane force winds. It sucks being a pegger. greek39October 5, 2005 at 11:40 pm #673869AnonymousInactive
I’m also in Canada. In the past I did some offline advertising in Hustler Canada. But I would not do it again.
It’s illegal for anyone to offer gambling services unless they are regulated by a provincial lottery or unless they live on a native reserve.
Your information argument could work but it’s not worth risking. Are you going to have the money to fight the government for 5-10 years when they take you to court? The least I would do to minimize risk is take a CPA offer only. That way you are not sharing in player losses.
The world is huge, try targetting the global market while leaving out Canada.October 6, 2005 at 12:17 am #673876AnonymousInactive
Think of it this way. You are not solicitating online gambling but merely providing information on the subject. I am willing to stand up to the legal process, afterall it won’t be me paying for it. In fact, 90% of actual microgaming casino received their licenses from a Canadian Indian reserve. I do realize the soverienty reserves have which makes them able to so.
But if you operate a gambling information site that is on a non Canadian server I think prosecuting highly unlikely. If our local phone company (mts) can provide information on poker tournaments why can’t you advertise you site?
I am sure there exists plenty of printed information about online gambling in Canada. These sorts of issues are complex. Apparently its illegal to gamble online in Canada. Now think for a moment, this would violate our constitutional rights, the right to privacy. The government can’t regulate what happens in our bedrooms nor can it regulate what a person does online in the privacy of their own homes. The only time there may be an exception is when you cause personal harm to another.
Keep in mind you are offering information and not service. I am targeting my city I am sick of the monopoly the provincial governmemt has over gambling. Online gambling is a far better. I plan on making up business cards and going to our local casino and handing them out. I have been in the industry for at least 20 years now. One final note i do operate my own casino as well. Thanks, a very interesting discussion. greek39October 6, 2005 at 12:22 am #673878AnonymousInactive
yikes! tons of nice information that I didnt even think of or was aware of! I appreciate it guys….so now i must determine how i want to advertise :crazy:
This should be interesting to say the least, lol!
KFOctober 6, 2005 at 12:35 am #673880AnonymousInactive
i’ll stick with my lawyer’s advice, thanks.October 6, 2005 at 5:44 am #673885AnonymousInactive
I’m a US citizen that was living in BC for 3.5 years (seasonal resident) and after a long talk with AmCam on the phone (years ago) and trying to decide whether or not to become a Canuck I consulted a well respected law firm to do an in depth look into Canadian gambling advertising laws and AmCam is 100% right. Very criminal was the report I got. You would need a gaming license in order to target Canadians for online gambling.
My humble advice is to not seek legal consultation from affiliates but to spend a few thousand to get some solid advice from someone with a (Canadian) law degree.
RickOctober 6, 2005 at 1:16 pm #673901AnonymousInactive
well I sort of disagree in regards to the legality of this subject. I am totally up for the challenge, and will keep you posted on the matter. The campaign on Winnipeg should be around December, 2005. Maybe a online gambling newspaper. I will be the ginny pig. greek39
P.S I don’t think you would need a gaming license for offering online gambling information. But who knows this is Canada were are talking about.October 6, 2005 at 3:53 pm #673909AnonymousInactive
Whatever the law turns out to be in the US or Canada, i don’t wish to run afoul while it’s being decided. I moved to Canada as a result of the uncertainty and political nature of US law and online gaming/advertising/etc.
My lawyer has pointed out:
1. that selling ads and delivering people to a legal (one that is operating legally in it’s home jurisdiction) casino is not operating a “gaming house”.
2. Canadian prosecutors aren’t elected officials and can’t initiate investigations, and wait for the police to bring them cases.
3. If i have no servers, or banking or solicitation in Canada, the police in Canada will have no reason to investigate.
hence, his advice, don’t host or solicit in Canada, there should be absolutely no trouble.
I do point out several other things, 1) gambling federation (in montreal) doesn’t take canadians (or didn’t last time i looked). 2) the owner of bodog is Canadian and bo dog doesn’t take Canadians. 3) Tiger Gaming, just moved all their hosting and support out of Canada (server at kanawakhe)
But these are operators. Everyone who knows me, will tell you I am the most cautious/paranoid affiliate in North America! :nervous:
OH, happy thanksgiving everyone.:cheers:October 6, 2005 at 4:27 pm #673913AnonymousInactive
I decided to investigate this further. I contacted the manitonba gaming commsion they were not sure. Then I contacted the Consumers Bereau they referred me to free legal advice. The response, was no problem offering information to the Canadian public. He gave a few examples, its no differnet than what a newspaper does, it would violate your freedeom of speech, ect…
Another point he made the internet is international. All countries would have to agree on what is permissable.
I was still unsure so I called my friend who is a lawyer. He told me he saw no problem with it.
Bear in mind you are providing information about online gambling not recruiting players. I think you could get away with it.
Another thing to think about also. I am always receiving online gambling promos in my mail box at home. Give this some thought what about Citadel. A Canadian company offering a means for U.S and Canadians to gamble online.
I do agree have your server outside of Canada.
I waiting for one more phone call from the Minister.
But it is always good to be cautious. This is a really confusing topic. greek39October 6, 2005 at 4:59 pm #673917AnonymousInactive
AmCan, With that said could you possibly make any recommendations for a quality web host, located outside of US/Canada of course …ive been searching google for a bit now and nothing good has caught my eye.
KFOctober 6, 2005 at 5:38 pm #673920AnonymousInactive
I recommend http://www.hostroute.co.uk for a quality UK webhost.