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ok took a long time but Referback has been kicked to the curb now, others to follow soon as well!
Way to go PartnerLogic for changing your commission structure back.
:kisser:Referback lets hope you the next one change back
axl wrote:Do you understand that by continuing to send players to the referback properties that you may in fact be “legally” implying that you fully accept their terms? I understand for the last week you and others have been saying your moving on or removing links, but your sites (assuming those in your signatures are your sites) are still featuring numerous referback properties.Did you click on the links? Sorry but not all sites i have had time to update graphics on them.. I have a lot of sites..
and what i said was that i had removed 90% of there links.. 100% will be done shortly
Yes, that is a great deal of websites krystall2. You must be
making bank, lol. How many years have you been marketing
Casinos? just wondering.Cheers,
Scandle5 :wavey:
for 5 years now…
a lot is over 250 sites
If anyone is interested in selling their Referback account and the account has been making at least 5k a month, please drop me a PM.
I can offer all cash for it, depending of course on the account’s past history and other factors.
lol why, not that we make 5k a month but why would you want to buy this from those that do? The whole point of this is if you did make 5k a month there is no way you will be now with the absurd changes!
Also, the new T&C’s have a death of an affiliate clause stating that if you sell your RB account they may refuse payment etc to the new buyer :Pisser:
Hi,
I have been reading this thread with interest as these changed terms and conditions really have caused a great deal of confusion and frustration. Let me explain – as an affiliate relations manager for an online gaming site I have encountered a number of concerns when trying to change terms and conditions, and I always find it interesting to read these forums to keep up to date with what you the affiliates need, and can’t work with.
I agree that it’s not just referback that needs to change but other main affiliate programmes as well. Dominique does however have a point, that it is always a risk to remove links as it might decrease your incomes, but as she said by changing programme this will not mean that you cannot recoup money lost with other programmes. No plug for my site intended by that, but looking at this from an outsiders perspective I can see both sides. Referback, or any such sites, needs you for their revenue as you need them for yours. Therefore any changes that affect the symbiotic relationship need to be addressed fully with all parties before implementation to ensure it is mutually beneficial. I am surprised that this situation has occurred, and await with curiosity the final outcome.
Julia
(TC.ADS affiliate relations assistant manager)Julia wrote:Referback, or any such sites, needs you for their revenue as you need them for yours. Therefore any changes that affect the symbiotic relationship need to be addressed fully with all parties before implementation to ensure it is mutually beneficial.Actually, I think it is a lot easier for an affiliate to replace a program than the other way around.
When someone like Referback does something like this without running it past all the affiliates first, they are shooting themselves in the foot.
There are a whole lot of comparable casinos to promote and Referback has to rely on loyalty to stay in the race, loyalty and the fear some affiliates have of losing income that was steadily generated with Referback in the past.
This used to work for programs. But the industry has changed and there is a lot more competition. Staying with a program that changed conditions to the disadvantage of affiliates is not a wise move anymore. You cant lock in your future income like that anymore – especially not with a program known for T&C changes.
The very worst thing a program can do is to mess with players already in the account of an affiliate. And don’t tell me that players do not come back after a long period of absence – if they didn’t, why be so intent to remove them? I actually consider that theft. Without me the program would not have that player to remove. Many players will come back once contacted by mail. I know, I am one of them myself. It is just a way to cut out the affiliate and get players back in the fold without having to pay comissions anymore.
I also fail to see how not paying for players’ first deposits can be good for affiliates. When I signed with Referback, I was told players were mine for life, and I would get a % of all profits.
That is what I want, and it isn’t all that important who gives it to me. All these different programs retroactively changing their terms to the worse have caused me to try out several others the last couple of months, and guys, my income from Microgaming casinos is noticeably on the rise.
Loyalty and partnerships are mutually practised qualities. When they are present they are good for everyone. When one of the partners drops the ball, it’s a problem. If they pick it back up, it’s ok, I forgive and forget, at least first time problems. If they drop it on purpose and expect you to deal with it, it’s not ok.
In the past affiliates have been a lot more complacent. But times have changed. Programs have become very replaceable. Any affiliate who pushes a different mincrogaming program than they used to will experience that the income basically stays the same, if it doesn’t rise like with me.
So why stay with a program that isn’t a reliable partner?
I also fail to see how not paying for players’ first deposits can be good for affiliates. When I signed with Referback, I was told players were mine for life, and I would get a % of all profits.
That´s brought to one point in one second.
@ Referback Team / ZaneReferback
By Friday latest I should be able to have more feedback.
AND by Tuesday next week I should have a specific suggestion/ amendment.
All affiliates were given clear statements about your changed terms in short time.
So why you need to discuss internal at Referback for nearly 2 weeks to find a solution? It also takes only one second to change back to the former terms and conditions.
The only reason I see is you won´t change back…
But as already written in this thread: affiliates are nothing without an affiliate program and affiliate programs are nothing without affiliates. And the new terms are definetly against affiliates (in my eyes)!
So for me only two possibilities:
1.) Old terms or better for affiliates – I don´t stop to promote them
2.) New terms or obvious positive changings – I stop to promote and other programs are getting that link places on my sites!
:fencing: I am probably your newest member but I do I have something to say. Referback supports bellerock gaming in my opinion one of the ruthless casino groups out there. I know I ended up contacting the 16 year old owner and got know where. But I remain a affiliate of theirs. I do beleive some lessons have to be brought forth. But it is impossible to give the blind sight. I hope I am allowed to say such things. I apologize for being hypocritical and if offended anyone. The greeker
Julia wrote:…but looking at this from an outsiders perspective I can see both sides. Referback, or any such sites, needs you for their revenue as you need them for yours. Therefore any changes that affect the symbiotic relationship need to be addressed fully with all parties before implementation to ensure it is mutually beneficial.Julia you are right on this. However these changes were not “mutually beneficial” and i think ReferBack, Fortune, Vegs Partners etc know if they had talked to their suppliers – previously called “partners” and stupid enough to believe it – first, they would have met a brick wall.
Like you i can see both sides in so much that businesses need to make changes. But it’s obvious you don’t breach your terms with your suppliers unless you consider those suppliers expendable.
Cheers
Simmo!
Dominique: Actually, I think it is a lot easier for an affiliate to replace a program than the other way around.
I agree with your point. The better you look after your affiliates the more likely that they will stay with your affiliate programme. As I said before, if major changes are made to the T&C then any changes need to be addressed fully with all parties before implementation to ensure it is mutually beneficial. Otherwise affiliates will just find another programme.
Simo: But it’s obvious you don’t breach your terms with your suppliers unless you consider those suppliers expendable.
Affiliate programmes most definitely should not breach their T&C! Programmes that do this will most definitely loose their affiliates by doing this. I await with curiosity the final outcome of this whole referback situation.
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Julia
Affiliate Relations Assistant Manager
TCADS.NET Ltd.
Email: [email protected]
