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@Dominique 229039 wrote:
Grand Prive revisited – GP still owes me 30,000.
I think the BCP casinos need to be rogued!
Oh my God. Yes. Let us be firm with it. Really put it down to them yes:
Let us Roque them. :rockband:
And then what? still got fukced in the you know where… But then sideways.
Right now, my a$$ looks like the damn Eurotunnel.
They do not give a foek about you, your words, your awesome yellow banner and who you work for in this forum nor how much you are owed by who.
They are good in letting you and anyone else here, believe that we do matter…
We did too.
We DID matter, since they have their HUGE market share thanks to us hardworking affiliates.
Here, I risk my 50% payment I was promised right here on the spot:
Let me ask you and all others… And, I would like an honest answer.
Were you basically told as well to shut up or not get paid??
Cause it is so funny that NOBODY who matters a bit in this club stfu in this case.
Don’t you see it? No-bo-dy is saying anything that matters. Everybody is careful with what they say if they say something at all. Forgive me, but that is fishy.
Do I need to update people more? Not one casino going wrong, no four.
Millions of dollars NOT paid out to affiliates, due to black friday..
WOOPS… I mean, internal affairs,
WOOPS, i mean, due to the closing of all casinos,
No, for fukc sake, i mean due to a whole lot of BULLCRAHP, we get talked out of our income.
And, it takes me whole lot of effort to get some people here who seem to matter, woken up and DO something.
What ARE you waiting for?
I will tell you straight out:
I was asked to lay low. IF I would not cry wolf, there was not an issue, since I was the best and nicest affiliate and I would get my thousands paid out. Not the others, but me.
Guess what? I heard the same idiot story from a few other affiliates.
Not small ones either.
For anyone feeling the need to debunk my story here:
The phone call was witnessed as well as heard over by my business partner and, we recorded the whole conversation CLEARLY too. And, it is my proof of this drab of unfair business practices.
They need to be closed down. And, more important: they need to pay their debts for the past, now and in the future.
I am owed a shiat load more than $30k…
These casinos now make more money and continue to take MY share and, the share of around 1000 affiliates too. My share was a million in the next few years. What is yours?
We all, WE ALL need to take action or simply be losers for eternity.
(And Dominique, I do think your banner is deserved, let there be no doubt about it. I know you spend a lot of time and effort. Thanks for that in name of all the people you served.
)@bonustreak 228981 wrote:
If they are still taking deposits and excepting players then the company needs to pay its debts!
Any Idea how we get to this resolution?
I’ll vote yes.
Let the:hitthefan
I am in for a black listed rogue link exchange against them!!
I know affiliates are getting paid different % for sure. I will go on record that I had a 49 minute call with Tim , the first i ever spoke to him and I understand that he will be out of a job very soon , obviously no affiliates = no affiliate manager.
I also understand that they lost quite a bit of revenue as did others in processor seizures , that is part of the business when dealing in USA.Talking to Tim I was under assumption they were shutting everything down and that was it one last payment and there is nothing going on to generate more revenue.Tim did not say this , I just assumed this is why there will be no future reports.
Now that I see they are still in business and going to continue to take deposits off our leads then I have no issue with adding them to the Rogue list and putting them with the same Catagory as Grand Prive.Casino Coins is doing it the right way and all of my players are still playing there.It will take an adjustment to get use to the quarterly payments but that is totally acceptable considering everything.
BTW things like this has made us look at our business and for first time we are doing CPA deals.We had 38 revenue share partners in January 2011 but since certain things occured in recent months we got down to 26 on April 1 .When we are done with our updates in June we will be down to 16 active revenue programs ,the rest honestly I do not trust with my traffic anymore.The way it is going we will be down to single number revenue share partners and doing CPA with rest.
@casinobonusguy 229080 wrote:
I also understand that they lost quite a bit of revenue as did others in processor seizures
Where is the proof to that?
I have had all sorts of different stories.
What good is it to roque? Think it would matter?
Money is what I want. Money is what I have a right to.
Like you say, Casino coins did the right thing. The only right way.
Their casinos are also closed.
ALL BCP casinos are open.
They continue to make cash.
Lifetime commissions ARE lifetime commissions.
i’m not happy about what’s happened with BCP either.nobody likes to see their revenue stream cut off virtually without warning. however, before becoming an affiliate myself i spent a couple of years working as an affiliate manager and that has given me a different perspective than what i’m reading here.
if you guys are dead set on roguing BCP, ok. but they’re closed and the casinos are no longer taking US customers (i confirmed it with their customer service people myself) so what’s the point? i sent them a good amount of traffic over the past couple of years but at least when they shut the door they sent my traffic back to me rather than stealing it like some other programs. and, when i contact them about my payment they always get back to me right away and tell me they’re doing everything they can to get me my earnings. is that just a load of you know what? maybe, but i have to wonder why they’d bother talking to me at all if their ultimate goal was to rip me off.
now i was never told to keep my mouth shut if i wanted to get paid or anything close to that. but if you were, is it possible that maybe your affiliate manager was just trying to give you some good advice? after all, even if BCP has the best intentions, why would they pay somebody who won’t be happy no matter what they do?
i mean really, if you think that an affiliate program should pay you on what you feel you might have earned in the coming years, after they already shut down, then i don’t know what to say to that other than i certainly don’t know of any program on the planet that could afford do so. so in that case, it’s just a matter of time before they’re all rogues by your definition. you might find one that will tell you they will pay you forever no matter what. heck, they’ll probably even put it in writing. but i bet you it wouldn’t be worth the paper it was written on.
i could go on but i get that you’re frustrated and angry. and if you form a club for that then send me an invite and i’ll be sure to join :cheers:. but in the meantime i just wanted to offer you the point of view of someone who’s worked on both sides.
I am fairly certain any casino group in USA market has lost money from DOJ this year,some more significantly than others.BCP affiliate program is close but their casinos are still allowing all the old players to play .They are calling as many if not all affiliates as possible to settle the bills and each affiliate is getting a different amount /% .It seems like the more you made the less % you will be getting ,probably they are splitting the pot so everyone will get something but who knows.
If they have a good month next month or if they get funds back down the line will they do more?I really do not know.I am certain down the road they will be back though maybe not under BCP or even using same software but that is their reason not to burn all their bridges I suppose.
Our business has lost a substantial amount already in 2011 due to Rivals and Microgaming stopping all USA deposits not to mention these processor losses.I expect we will get more bad news as time goes on so I am just doing the best we can to adapt .We can do what some casinos do to us , tell all our players do not play at casino x ,y and z and switch to A,B,C .That may do something for future revenue but I doubt we will ever see any future revenues.@shortstack 229083 wrote:
i’m not happy about what’s happened with BCP either.nobody likes to see their revenue stream cut off virtually without warning. however, before becoming an affiliate myself i spent a couple of years working as an affiliate manager and that has given me a different perspective than what i’m reading here.
if you guys are dead set on roguing BCP, ok. but they’re closed and the casinos are no longer taking US customers (i confirmed it with their customer service people myself) so what’s the point? i sent them a good amount of traffic over the past couple of years but at least when they shut the door they sent my traffic back to me rather than stealing it like some other programs. and, when i contact them about my payment they always get back to me right away and tell me they’re doing everything they can to get me my earnings. is that just a load of you know what? maybe, but i have to wonder why they’d bother talking to me at all if their ultimate goal was to rip me off.
now i was never told to keep my mouth shut if i wanted to get paid or anything close to that. but if you were, is it possible that maybe your affiliate manager was just trying to give you some good advice? after all, even if BCP has the best intentions, why would they pay somebody who won’t be happy no matter what they do?
i mean really, if you think that an affiliate program should pay you on what you feel you might have earned in the coming years, after they already shut down, then i don’t know what to say to that other than i certainly don’t know of any program on the planet that could afford do so. so in that case, it’s just a matter of time before they’re all rogues by your definition. you might find one that will tell you they will pay you forever no matter what. heck, they’ll probably even put it in writing. but i bet you it wouldn’t be worth the paper it was written on.
i could go on but i get that you’re frustrated and angry. and if you form a club for that then send me an invite and i’ll be sure to join :cheers:. but in the meantime i just wanted to offer you the point of view of someone who’s worked on both sides.
Its really nice to know the program you worked with trained you to be okay with ripping people off. Whether they accept new US players or not, were being robbed. Plain and simple.
Hey Shortstack,
Thank you for your input. Although it does not really add any value in my humble opinion, I will still answer your assumptions, questions and comments.
@shortstack 229083 wrote:
i’m not happy about what’s happened with BCP either.nobody likes to see their revenue stream cut off virtually without warning. however, before becoming an affiliate myself i spent a couple of years working as an affiliate manager and that has given me a different perspective than what i’m reading here.
if you guys are dead set on roguing BCP, ok. but they’re closed and the casinos are no longer taking US customers (i confirmed it with their customer service people myself) so what’s the point?
No point at all to roque BCP, I said that already. Thing is, the casinos should have been closed down as was told. Why is it that BCP was gone? First black friday, then internal issues, then the casinos were closed.
They are not closed. So, who walks away with my cash and that of the other affiliates? Correct. The casinos.
@shortstack 229083 wrote:
i sent them a good amount of traffic over the past couple of years but at least when they shut the door they sent my traffic back to me rather than stealing it like some other programs. and, when i contact them about my payment they always get back to me right away and tell me they’re doing everything they can to get me my earnings. is that just a load of you know what? maybe, but i have to wonder why they’d bother talking to me at all if their ultimate goal was to rip me off.
I send them players, not just traffic. And yes, never had one issue. I love BCP. The little tool they gave does work well and I am grateful for it too. It works so well that from my office (after using the tool a few times to check links) I am now unable to open the casinos as everytime when i type in the official domain from any of the casinos, I automatically get the redirect they made, and I land on my page I set within the BCP tool.
It was when I accessed the web from my laptop that I noticed I was able to create new accounts on all casinos. After I was told they closed down. How is that?
@shortstack 229083 wrote:
now i was never told to keep my mouth shut if i wanted to get paid or anything close to that. but if you were, is it possible that maybe your affiliate manager was just trying to give you some good advice? after all, even if BCP has the best intentions, why would they pay somebody who won’t be happy no matter what they do?
Did you get an email at least? And, Shortstack, Please Tell me what part would be ‘good’ in that advice in your opinion?
And, what the hell are you talking about? Are you really trying to describe me as ‘somebody who wont be happy no matter what they do?’
What are you, an online psychic? Or Psychiatrist perhaps? What do you know?
@shortstack 229083 wrote:
i mean really, if you think that an affiliate program should pay you on what you feel you might have earned in the coming years, after they already shut down, then i don’t know what to say to that other than i certainly don’t know of any program on the planet that could afford do so.
so in that case, it’s just a matter of time before they’re all rogues by your definition. you might find one that will tell you they will pay you forever no matter what. heck, they’ll probably even put it in writing. but i bet you it wouldn’t be worth the paper it was written on.What is this? Is this your ex Affiliate manager point of view? To me, this does not add any value at all to this discussion. Very ex affiliate manager type of thing to say. Is this why you became an affiliate afterall?
You are telling me it is ok to have this done. What a weird thing to say.
@shortstack 229083 wrote:
i could go on but i get that you’re frustrated and angry. and if you form a club for that then send me an invite and i’ll be sure to join :cheers:. but in the meantime i just wanted to offer you the point of view of someone who’s worked on both sides.
Glad you chose right.. Really…
Group is made, but none of us are able to find the invite button I think.
Look. Yes I am frustrated and yes I am angry. Thanks for pointing that out. Not to mention that in general I also do not waste my time, So, next time please add some value to the discussion, a solution to the problem or anything that could benefit the problem in a positive manner.
Dont make me waste time again having to read something that does not matter one little drip of sjit.
Thanks.
I do not want to sound like an asshole, but stop approaching me like you assume I am one.
@Play 229087 wrote:
Its really nice to know the program you worked with trained you to be okay with ripping people off. Whether they accept new US players or not, were being robbed. Plain and simple.
I think those were the words I was looking for. Would have saved me about 20 minutes I now spend answering it…
thanks.
Hey, I wasn’t looking to start a fight. i meant no disrespect and i’m sorry what i said made you feel it was ok to attack me. I was simply giving my opinion and if you just want to rant then by all means carry on and i hope that it helps you to relieve some of that anger and frustration.
For the record, I was 20 years old when i started working as an affiliate manager and frankly just needed the work. It taught me about a lucrative industry but after witnessing shady activity i quit and instead took the opportunity to capitalize on what i learned about the business and became an affiliate myself.
At the very least i hope that we can respectfully agree to disagree. But i would like to leave you with a parting thought that you may well find as useless as the opinions i expressed earlier…
When you work with companies that knowingly violate the law can you really expect them to honor their agreements with you; especially when the **** hits the fan? Just the nature of their business should tell you everything you need to know about the kind of people you’re dealing with. You could have promoted something safe and legit but no, like countless others, including me, you took a gamble on the US casinos because the returns were so high. Nothing wrong with that. When times were good they were good for all of us but i’m sure you’ve been following the news since Black Friday and you must realize the risks that operators take and the consequences they face so when they feel the need to call it quits then i’m sorry, but to think it won’t affect us as affiliates is naiive at best.
I really don’t have anything more to contribute to this thread and perhaps you’re too upset to consider what i’m saying now, but i hope that at some point you will think about what i’ve said because i do feel for your position as i am in the same boat and i wish all us affiliates well during these difficult times.
@shortstack 229090 wrote:
Hey, I wasn’t looking to start a fight. i meant no disrespect
Me neither. And, No, you got it wrong. I am not too upset to do anything. I want a solution if anything. Cause I believe, something is fishy.
If it was Black Friday.. the casinos would be closed. They are not.
Thanks for this point of view. It makes me realize you do not see what my point is.
The casinos are open. Not closed. Sure they might not take NEW Americans… They still take on players and, who says all your players were Americans?
What if you had a bunch of happy Spanish people betting away?
IS legal there.. So …
Get my point?
If these happy Spanish gamblers were losing around $40k p month…
They keep playing. You just stop earning. And, get ONLY paid a percentage of what you were owed up until AT LEAST the exact day the TOS were changed. That was the 27th I believe.
This was said initially that it was due to Black Friday. Then internal issues and then what have you not. Black Friday, alright… Casinos would be closed and I would understand that seized money can not be paid, and would be grateful, VERY grateful for the generous offer I was given considering the circumstances.
Black friday would have closed down the casinos? No? OR?
So, why should I pay for internal affairs? Why should you?
Then, another thing comes to mind, and that is that I was told we got paid out of an emergency pot of money that covers emergencies like the one we witnessed.
Why? The casinos are still making tons. They can EASILY pay out what is owed.
They should. All of it.
Period.
I was called as well by John(stage name, real name who knows), was not told to not talk about it so I will talk about it. I was told a processor took off with funds. There is not enough money to pay the total to affiliates. I would get a % of what was actually due to us and no more.
The affiliate program was done going out of biz and as far as I knew the casinos were DONE going out of biz as well! Now I am finding out that they are not going out and players are still allowed to play if this is the case then they are STEALING plain and simple. I will have blacklisting and warning my forum members to stay away! I pride myself on helping my players when they have issues, I pride myself on sending players to a non rogue establishment to me BCP is no longer trustworthy!
@bonustreak 229121 wrote:
I was called as well by John(stage name, real name who knows), was not told to not talk about it so I will talk about it. I was told a processor took off with funds. There is not enough money to pay the total to affiliates. I would get a % of what was actually due to us and no more.
The affiliate program was done going out of biz and as far as I knew the casinos were DONE going out of biz as well! Now I am finding out that they are not going out and players are still allowed to play if this is the case then they are STEALING plain and simple.
Exactly what we got told.
Also I disgaree with anyone calling what is being said in this thread as a “rant” or “venting” – thats really out of order.
If nothing was said, there is no pressure for a solution. And it would send a message to programs, that this sort of behaviour is acceptable.
There is nothing right with telling advertisers that you have closed shop, only to continue to allow advertisers players to play, or re-market those players under a different banner.
