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Thank you for saving me the bullshit of signing up and promoting. i never liked this place anyway, but i figured thats just me, and may be my members do like them, so i was going to put up banners and promote, thank god for the people here! cheers to you all.
kw. nice site, i am signing up and will be active.
The terms are for real and they enforced them ridiculously on our account, stopping earnings in the entire account after we offloaded just one of many sites that was sending traffic.
We all knew they had intentions of inforcing this rule, the AM at these certain places will say just about anything to defend this new rule, heck they even go so far as to say we have a personal grudge against them… well YA THINK? Who would not have a grudge against a cheating stealing company?
I hope more come forward so we can see how many are being cheated out of hard earned money!
Is anyone else having problem with customers tracking at Canbet and IASBet, the recent success rate for customers that i know i’ve sent there is less than 50%!
creditor wrote:Is anyone else having problem with customers tracking at Canbet and IASBet, the recent success rate for customers that i know i’ve sent there is less than 50%!Actually, yes! We did a test signup and deposit and it didn’t track!
Darn, this isn’t good.
I’ve been a member of Canbet and IASbet programs for about a year now, i’ve got a reasonable idea of who is using my links as i ask them to email me so i can confirm tracking. Upto about 2 months ago the success rate of thsoe i knew were joining was about 95% but in the last two months it seems to have dropped below 50%. I have made no changes to the config of my website so not sure whats happened to Commissionking
Hi all,
of course ……I admit to not being a rocket scientist ….. but I think I can make an educated guess at this one
I have made no changes to the config of my website so not sure whats happened to Commissionking
dump ’em if a they don’t offer a logical or excusable reason for this to have happened and especially if it happens again after bringing it to their attention.
ps.
if they’ve still got the predatorial terms … you’ve got no business having anything to do with them in the first place IMHO.
Its kind of convenient that i now need 1 new sign-up per month to claim any commission and now i have lots of tracking problems
Hi All,
I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know that I’ve been monitoring your concerns with the CommissionKing program over the past few months.
Please note that the term that you are referring to has been removed and updated. Please feel free to have a look at it and let me know any feedback.
We have been busy working on quite a few things and you can expect to see a lot more changes in the coming months. Thank you for the feedback that you have given to us so far as this has been the basis for the development of our new program.
The CommissionKing Team will be at CAC in Amsterdam and if you are attending, please let me know as I would really like to meet with you.
Please feel free to raise any other concerns or contact us anytime should you have any questions.
I look forward to meeting with you soon!
Regards
RaymondHey Raymond.
Good to have you here at CAP – as having an person to discuss things with will make it a lot easier to get a dialogue going.
Welcome aboard …
:wavey:Now about this clause … it’s now moved to 1 player every 3 months right?
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(d) If you do not deliver 1 new active account within a period of three months (billed months) we may terminate this Agreement immediately by delivery of written notice to you.
While that’s fine for me – as I expect to get 5,10,15+ players a month – but a lot of smaller affiliates may still see this as a risk – especially if they are using search engines as traffic providers … as that can be very fickle.
So why is the clause there? What are you guarding against?
And I note the use of the word MAY – will you really suspend payments of due monies to active affiliates?
Are there other methods you could use to determine active affiliates – like impression numbers, or unique clicks – that might seem less threatening?
If we follow the idea of such terms – the next step for programs is to determine the exact sum the affiliate should bring every month.
As for ‘unique clicks’ – it’s a good idea
TheGooner wrote:Are there other methods you could use to determine active affiliates – like impression numbers, or unique clicks – that might seem less threatening?Why not to switch to terms offered by TheGooner?
It’s just impossible for affiliates with small traffic to predict the number of players.
Hi all,
even number of clicks is bullshit.
I get very few clicks right now due to my refusal to advertise when I can’t competently expect a payment / deposit solution for the long run.
to expect players to be signing up at a different ewallet every month or two .. giving up all that vital info … is ludicrous.
I won’t do it!
so to such places as the one in question. you’re stupid beyond your own ignorant terms. I have the loyalty of some very big players. You may only get 3 hits in 12 months …. and one wil likely be a big player. *ask the places that are smart enough to consider me worthy.
would i ever consider your bullshit? LOL!
yet you would consider some freebie no deposit site a worthy aff because they bring in a bunch of freebie chasers ….. you’re logic is beyond respect.
Good rant mate – but ill directed.
Publically listed companies have little choice but to comply with the UIGEA, and you need to be placing the blame closer to home in the US Government.
The whole US sportsbetting thing is too murky now – and only privately owned Costa Rican books seem prepared to take it on now. And probably only because they can hide ?
As far as the discussion on “clicks” – well that’s just me flying a kite – as I believe that this would cover 99.95% of active affiliates and effectively remove a predatory clause.
Isn’t that the whole point of the discussion ?
Seriously – if you’re not delivering ANY clicks then you are not a normal active affiliate – although perhaps you could operate “below the water” with email?
That’s why I asked for clarification on that use of MAY – perhaps discussions you can come to other agreements?
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Outside the US of A ….
There are plenty of options for European, British, Asian, Canadian players and affiliates … through the whole range :
– all the credit cards,
– UK debit cards,
– Neteller,
– Moneybookers (etc) …So there is plenty of banking in place – although these days it’s easier to send money to russia and China than the USA ?
:plain:Predatory is predatory… is predatory.
ANY affiliate program using a ‘Minimum Player Rule’ is out to screw the affiliate. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.
It ONLY makes them more profitable because they, then, have a valid reason for dumping your hard work into their extensive coffers. It’s ridiculous and will only continue if YOU (the affiliate) sign up and partake of the program.
I can’t agree more.
To Paul: the problem with targeting other countries for someone who uses PPC campaigns is the extreme fraud encountered.
its almost impossible to achieve. I tried using MIVA’s deal where they’ll allow you to use PPC campaigns targeting other countries while I was in the hospital and despite having minimum bids on all keyword phrases …. and then making the mistake of using auto-replenish … that place literally robbed me of $10k in about 2 days time.
while I’m certain not all PPCs are guilty of such ….. I think the majority are. Therefore it doesn’t make it a feasible approach to go that route.
I am almost entirely PPC run. It has served me very well thru the years … and while i read about the free traffic from SEO’ers ….. many times i also read about their income falling off drastically due to changes in the algo’s at such places as google, yahoo etc.
my income has been quite steady because I never needed fearing losing ranking. Of course the ban on gambling ads caused me to have to find ways around it … and i did.
but this has always targeted North American players because of the above mentioned fraud is too rampant in European countries.
So with the pull out of Neteller from Canada …. and of course the USA …. there’s no reliable ewallet solution at this time which I feel comfortable recommending to my readers.
its quite frustrating but I’ve always based anything I do on ….. doing the right thing. Sometimes that means a loss on my bottom line in order to treat people in the manner in which I would want to be treated.
I agree …..the rant should be aimed at our govt’s ….. however … it still remains the fact that a program would not have the players I send them ….. as they base their choices on my judgement NOT the casinos ….. so therefore these casinos would NOT have the players if I hadn’t sent them.
So yes I feel its very prudent that I get credit for their play regardless of the amount of clicks I send for any future months. As mentioned ….. I work very hard to gain and earn the trust of my readers …. often at the cost of my bottom line. So I don’t feel it is asking too much to be compensated for the way I run my business without having intimidation tactics used on me.
It all boils down to whether or not you’re willing to risk your future income …. which I remind is part of the equation when it comes to figuring in how much you can spend to get these players in the first place: on a company using intimidation and predatory terms.
I hope you can understand my position.
kwblue wrote:Predatory is predatory… is predatory.
yes it is … not it’s not … yes it is … no it’s not !!
:stirpot:Well OK – it might be …
:bigsmile:But isn’t the point of this forum to get discussion going – and since Raymond from CommissionKing has shown up – I hope to discuss it openly.
Here is where I see it :
(1) One player every three months is NOT a high hurdle in my opinion …
FFS if you cannot manage this then you are no longer an “active” affilaite for the program are you?(2) Even so – I asked whether a Unique Click method might also be acceptable
Affiliate websites deliver clicks – but we cannot close the deal. So this might also be a valid measurement for CommissionKing to consider.So what would be an acceptable threshold? 10 per month?
(3) There is the use of the word MAY which suggests that there is some discretion used by the program
BB1WEBS situation is a good case in point for some sensible waivers.With US based players no longer accepted i’s a simple question – will previously referred players still be honoured if legal situations force an affilaite to stop. How does this get decided ?
(although as I understand it all US players were suspended so it may be a moot point)
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I am a satisifed CanBet affiliate. I chose to promote them after a detailed 12 week playtest and a review of their products, sports odds, joining offers, their customer support and their financial standing.
These guys are obviously in the 90%+ percentile of sportsbooks out there and are far better for players and affiliates than many of the fly-by-night sportsbooks and casinos out there.
BB1WEBS – I don’t see your issue about having to chop and change e-wallets affecting non-US Canbet customers. I’ve been using Moneybookers.com there for 2 years now. Am I missing something here?
KWBLUE – I see a lot of other small dodgy sites that fold – or get bought out and sell player databases to another site. Affiliates lose their “lifetime share” outright even though they were active.
In my opinion this is not going to happen to CanBet – players and affilaites are also not going to be stiffed. And these considerations are far more important than the low hurdle for being considered active …
But … I am interested to hear Raymond’s position on the questions that we’ve raised.
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