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A good read.
I don’t actively promote poker because it is too competitive, and I think it would take too long to put in all the work it would need to get decent rankings from scratch, white-hat that is.
I think established websites are in a completely different ball game than those which are less than 18 months old, but with so much competition any new white hat site runs the risk of being buried among the mountain of spam surrounding it. Having said that I am not condoning going black hat, but it’s a case of whether you are prepared to wait 18-24 minimum for a decent return in a highly competitive market.
Hi all,
I’m no SEO’er, that’s for sure. right now I’m struggling – and failing miserably with a non-gambling related site and have a pretty good coach I paid $5k which was suppose to be for a media buy but that was from what I now consider a rip-off place called media solutions.
my “coach” was stuck with the media buy and his client backed out. I stepped in and said I’d cover if I got the keywords I wanted … which I didn’t. my “coach” … friend actually .. or I seem him that way …. was stand-up and said that since the media buy was a rip …. he’d help me with the SEO.
now all that said, and why i don’t know
I found it particularly interesting someone made a mention that the poker sites were using a “301 … maybe it was 302” to in other words ….. switch their aff links to looking like they were not …. thus really boosting their rankings for obvious reasons.
Not sure where to go with that: other than it seems they’ve found a loop-hole in the system to basically use their affs to get natural looking links coming into their sites and IF that is correct .. you guys are going to have one hell of a tough row to hoe … getting ranking for major poker terms.
Personally I think it would be impossbile to get to page one on google without employing some black hat or at least very dark grey techniques. There’s just way too much competition for the top poker keywords. The same holds true for the top casino keywords.
Other search engines however are a different story, getting to the top of yahoo and MSN is much easier without using black hat.
Hey Fonzi BTW,
yes i noticed for a while poker/casino sites doing that.
They redirect your affiliate link with a 301 redirect
So you link to pokersite.com/aff12345 it then redirects that to pokersite.com and google then treats that as a backlink to pokersite.com
So everyone who just uses normal links to poker/casino sites without doing an internal redirect first (which alot of affiliates do for click tracking), you are giving VERY valueable backlinks to the casino/poker sites.
I noticed this a while ago when checking bodogs HOMEPAGE backlinks and i found my site in there, yet i dont link to there homepage and then realised that because they always redirect the affiliate link to there homepage(which makes the url look better for the visitor), google treates it as a backlink.
Overtime this will make all the poker rooms unstopable in the SERPS, it almost is now, i think 8 or 9 out of top ten for terms “poker” or “online poker” are actual poker sites.
Hi again.
well from what little I know about SEO .. the 301 link stuff will stop being a “value” ….. once the tactic jumps from us …. so-called (by the site seomoz’ers – or many of them) “questionable personalities” to more mainstream areas.
I’ve only been around for 7 or 8 years now. And what continues to amaze me is all these rocket scientists at google (think) they are so damn smart about everything … yet they continually … year after year … fail to recognize .. . or choose to ….. the fact that THIS is the leading industry in terms of such things and could if they chose to … head off this any BS stunt long before it is ever addressed …. but they never do until it hits mainstream.
Choosing to not recognize an entity just because you don’t like what it eats … makes you breakfast, lunch and dinner speciality any time they choose to open your menu.
but if you think about it logically, what googles doing is correct………… why shouldnt partypoker get a “Vote” (backlink) from my site, after all, im recommending my visitors their.
Unless they were to manually check, I cant see the google algorithm finding this to be wrong. It’s a 301 redirect, how else would they treat this?
And Darko is correct, if you link to them, why shouldn’t the PR vote get passed? You can add nofollow tags to all you links, but this would probably hurt your site as you would have a site full of links with nofollow tags. Google would see that as you not having trust in the sites you’re linking to and penalize you.
Hi again all,
well to my way of thinking you’re both right and wrong.
Just because they have an aff situation going … doesn’t make them an authority on the subject.
Least not in terms of what google is trying to accomplish because it is an undeniable paid link, though bought thru commission instead of otherwise.
that said; it still proves they have something going for them in that keyword’s respect.
But I wouldn’t add but very little to those links for said reason
I gave up worrying about Google a couple of years ago, that or a nervous breakdown.
Links are BS, but I have never managed to convince anyone of this.Google “poker podcast”…oooo I am number two and number six on yahoo! Let’s see..I have 5 outgoing links and 4 incoming or something like that.
Worry about good content and just use basic SEO IMHO.
Add this code to your links: rel=”nofollow” and you won’t give the casinos PR :laugh:
then you will get penalised for linking to sites from all pages of your site with the relnofollow tag.
googles bots would say……. hmmm why does this site link out to about 10 (casino/poker) websites and links to them from every page lots of times, yet they all have a nofollow tag ……. hmmm this guys abusing the nofollow tag and trying to improve his serps and pr artificially.
i wish it were that simple
Nope. I have used it in +1 year. I am not penalised. Wikipedia use in on all their links and they have good results in google..
I think it’s okay to use no follow if it’s an affiliate link, because i’m linking to a “copy” of the “original” site… do you follow me?
i have read in matt cutts blog (top google engineer) that abusing NoFollow will NOT help you.
If it was that simple why isnt everyone doing it ?
why isnt every seo firm telling their clients to use it
why isnt all the seo sites using it ?because the nofollow tag is for linking to sites that you dont reccommend/bad sites.
Problem is its not “natural” to only link to bad/unrecommended sites – which google can easily see
Wikipedia have only recently started to use it because of the amount of link spam and Wikipedia are a special case and are not doing it to make there serps higher and make MONEY.
but if its working for you, then you are ok – as each to there own
Anyhow theres better ways to not pass over pr/vote to affiliate sites as i have mentioned in an earlier post (about doing internal redirects)
darko123 wrote:i have read in matt cutts blog (top google engineer) that abusing NoFollow will NOT help you.If it was that simple why isnt everyone doing it ?
why isnt every seo firm telling their clients to use it
why isnt all the seo sites using it ?because the nofollow tag is for linking to sites that you dont reccommend/bad sites.
Problem is its not “natural” to only link to bad/unrecommended sites – which google can easily see
Wikipedia have only recently started to use it because of the amount of link spam and Wikipedia are a special case and are not doing it to make there serps higher and make MONEY.
but if its working for you, then you are ok – as each to there own
Anyhow theres better ways to not pass over pr/vote to affiliate sites as i have mentioned in an earlier post (about doing internal redirects)
1. I dont think I’m abusing the NoFollow tag
2. Wikipedia has used it in 1-2 years. Just like I have.“because the nofollow tag is for linking to sites that you dont reccommend/bad sites.”
I don’t think that’s true. The no follow tag is “installed” on many blogs (because of blogspam -yes) but does it make the blog bad? No…
Kind regards
“The one-armed man” :hithead:
Ummm…. more content less w@nker syndrome and you guys would be $$$ happy eh?
Time spent on SEO per week=less time producing VALUABLE CONTENT THAT ACTUAL VISITORS AND NOT SPIDERS WILL APPRECIATE.
But what would I know? Will contempate that one while cruising the canals this weekend.:shhh:
