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Books have been written on just this topic… Do a search here at CAP we have quite a few conversations about DMOZ
There isn’t an exact science to enter Dmoz… or even staying there.
One of my first sites, mainstream, not gambling, online since 2000 was there for years, until someday, it was gone. No explanation. New submition, but nothing…
nice! Just forgot about it, maybe I’ll try again when I have some free time…Dmoz = joke.
I can tell you stories. Used to be an editor for them. But I’ll just get all worked up for nothing if I start in again.
One thing I can tell you is don’t continue to resubmit your site over and over. Everytime you do, it just sends it back to the bottom of the pile…
Another hint:
Apply to become an editor for the category you want your site in. If there is already an editor find a similar category. The application process will ask you for three sites you would add if you were an editor. Make your site one of these. Most often, even if they don’t make you an editor, they will include the sites you entered if they are good enough…
My understanding is that DMOZ won’t accept gambling affiliate websites. Did a quick check for “online gambling” and it isn’t even a category for them. Used to be, but they have since pulled it apparently. As for mainstream websites, I’ve seen it take 6 months or more to get listed. Definitely don’t keep submitting as said above.
Nice suggestions, ewhitaker. More than 1 year ago, I applied for an editor “job”. A small one, because I know that once inside, we can try to apply for the bigger ones. But didn’t get a reply, and I forgot about it. Thank you for remembering me
If you can’t get into DMOZ, try an alternative – Yahoo directory …
A tip I picked up on another forum, Canadian version of Yahoo Directory is still Free to submit your site:
http://ca.dir.yahoo.com/I do have to admin, I submited my sites about a month ago and still not listed …
But, hey, didn’t cost me a dimeHey Rasputin,
Pretty sure it is $299 for express service in Yahoo Canada
xxhttp://add.yahoo.com/fast/add?96882300+CanadaWell, I’ve submited my sites for free, I can’t guarantee that link above the exact link I used, since I have looked it up before making post, but I do know that I did it for free.
Express link you provided is US Yahoo directory with posting to specific region … I was talking about Canadian Yahoo directory. Sorry, don’t have full details on difference if any, but I haven’t paid a dime …
Although as I stated in my first post – my sites are still not listed, not sure how long it will take …
I thought Yahoo directory did not accent gambling sites?
But DMOZ does.
Hey Back in 52,
I’d like to ask you a question. Why would it be so important to you to have your site listed in DMOZ?Do you believe you will get more traffic?
Do you believe you will rank higher on serp’s?
Do you believe gamblers will go look for your site in DMOZ instead of simply perform a search on a major se?DMOZ is an irrelevant, clumsy and one of the most unuseful monument that shows how much progress has been made since the times DMOZ was relevant.
I had sites in DMOZ, looking back.. it was never worth the effort.. i have actually made more money from my other sites that were not listed there than the sites that did.
DMOZ listing will not get you more traffic nor get your sites rank higher on serp’s
The only realistic gain is maybe a PR boost… but you can gain that from link trades just as well.
My advice, focus your efforts on more productive strategies other than “follow the herd”
M.D wrote:Hey Back in 52,
DMOZ listing will not get you more traffic nor get your sites rank higher on serp’sThe only realistic gain is maybe a PR boost… but you can gain that from link trades just as well.
The thing about DMOZ is that it creates two additional listings for your site. One in the Google directory and one on DMOZ. The other added benefit is the fact that DMOZ allows anyone to pull from their directories which creates many more links across the web. I myself, pull from DMOZ on my site for my casino directory.
It has its pros and cons. If it was “easy” to get listed in DMOZ I think everyone would be submitting. Most of the people that aren’t in DMOZ arent’ in there because they didn’t want to be, but because they “couldn’t” be.
No, its not an absolute necessity to be listed with them, but I have seen sites get a whole point in PR boost that are and some that don’t get any at all. It depends.
I knock them myself simply because I think their management and system sucks, not because I didn’t want to be in there.
M.D wrote:Hey Back in 52,
I’d like to ask you a question. Why would it be so important to you to have your site listed in DMOZ?Do you believe you will get more traffic?
Do you believe you will rank higher on serp’s?
Do you believe gamblers will go look for your site in DMOZ instead of simply perform a search on a major se?DMOZ is an irrelevant, clumsy and one of the most unuseful monument that shows how much progress has been made since the times DMOZ was relevant.
I had sites in DMOZ, looking back.. it was never worth the effort.. i have actually made more money from my other sites that were not listed there than the sites that did.
DMOZ listing will not get you more traffic nor get your sites rank higher on serp’s
The only realistic gain is maybe a PR boost… but you can gain that from link trades just as well.
My advice, focus your efforts on more productive strategies other than “follow the herd”
Thank you everyone for your responses. M.D., The only reason i was trying to get on there was to get a higher pagerank and get a better chance of being indexed more often by google since i heard google and other search engines take DMOZ listings a priority over non DMOZ listed sites. The thing is that I’ve tried basically everything I could from optimizing my pages and linking over the past 15 months and still i get one or two visitors a day. This guy I was telling you about started up his site in a matter of weeks and got on DMOZ and his site is a cash cow. Basically he gets about half the number of visitors I ever got in one day on his site and is making tons of money and depositors each day. His site looks like crap and there is no where near the quality of content and look of my site. I dont know how he did it but I know he got on DMOZ and I have a feeling that was the key since because I’ve done just about everything except get on DMOZ.
I lost my bookmarks so I don’t have his site on me right now since i heard about it a few months ago but I knew the guy. He definitly wasn’t a blackhat SEO because he barely knows HTML and he may not even know SEO at all. I asked him what he did and he doesn’t know, he says it all happened by ‘accident’ which i think is BS since I’ve worked very hard on my site for the past 15 months with no increase in traffic and I hired a professional SEO to at least help me out on this problem in case im doing something wrong, maybe not get #1 in google but at least get more than 1 visitor a day and still nothing has happened, the only thing new is i made my site much bigger and looks like a classy beautiful site (at least to me) and I have more content along with even better SEO than before. It’s been months since these new improvements and still no traffic, if anything, the traffic has fallen from my 2 visitors a day to sometimes no visitors a day. Thats why I think DMOZ has something to do with it since its the last thing i haven’t tried. I exchanged links with a PR 5 site and a few other big ones about 7 months ago and my PR is still 1 so link exchanges dont help. Yahoo doesn’t allow gambling sites (even though i see gambling sites in their directory), I’m already in many small free directories and search engines. I am indexed by google and all the other search engines too, so I’m not banned.
I don’t know what else to do, I’m on the point of just giving up, all the work going into it just isn’t paying off. I tried just about everything, is there anything else I didn’t mention that could be the key to getting better traffic? There has got to be some kind of secret or thing I’m not doing right. Anyone can PM me if you want to take a look at my site and try to figure out what is preventing it from getting any traffic, I would really appreciate it.
Alot of sites get in there that aren’t submitted by the actual site owner. It is the editor’s job to find related sites and add them. Most of the editors just sit back and wait for submissions, then there are editors that go out hunting for sites to build their category.
The problem with DMOZ is that there is NO uniform way that each editor practices and this is my biggest gripe. Editors do what they please and are not supervised. Some don’t care who they list and don’t follow the guidelines. Others have a huge ego and you don’t dare say the wrong thing to them or they will ban you and remove any other sites you may have listed. Some will only list sites that are NOT in direct competition with them and even go as far as to de-list their competition or they simply ignore the submission and keep sending it back to the bottom of the pile. You would be surprised how many editors there are that are editors of a category they have their own site in. DMOZ views this as having experience and knowledge in a particular category if you have a relevent website.
They shouldn’t be allowed to operate like this, but they do. I have sites that I’ve been waiting for FOUR years to get listed. Totally unique content, but it doesn’t matter.
You are basically stuck with the cards you were dealt and just have to move on and make the best you can of it. It’s not right, but its just how it is – sorry to say.
MD is right, there are other ways to get listings and get your PR up. You may have to work harder at it, but there really isn’t a choice.
Back in 52,
What you are decribing may have nothing to do with DMOZ. Your friend with the crappy site, is it a poker site? Does he go out to play poker in casinos and chat up everyone at the table, and pass out business cards with his site on them? You can drive a LOT of business personally if you go to places that have your target audience and sell. I know a poker teacher that makes good money just sending students through their site.
