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We are probably not including that game in our suite anymore.
I don’t know the odd of the game but I would think people are going to go and play, play, play that game now! Just the thought of winning big like P21 will rev some motors. But then again just the thought of not getting paid might change some minds.
I really would like to see what happens here. If Hampton fails and RTG refuses to take up the slack they will always be the guys that screwed some poor sap out of a million+ and Hampton will no longer be remembered.
emg35
I have been following this dispute for a while now and I just keep having the feeling that everyone involved is lying.
Perhaps this is because initially everyone overreacted….
Or maybe everyone has something to hide.
If they pay they will see a traffic spike and good press that will carry them to the next level
If they do not pay Not Good
One month topsBrad
As usual *im lost *
lol
A player won over a million dollars playing at Hampton.
Hampton at first refused to pay, claiming that the player had used a bot. I think this drama is still playing out.Thread about it here: http://www.bet2gamble.com/Forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=35263&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
And at Casinomeisters forum…somewhere.
Actually it’s coming to an end one way or another, now that RTG has spoken and basically said that Hampton lying. RTG is feeding Hampton to the lions and Hampton has not said one thing since RTG spoke. I think that alone says a lot.
If you really want to stay up to date on this I wouldn’t be reading post at bet2gamble, Casinomeisters has p21, RTG, and Hampton all telling their story’s
emg35
RTG did NOT say that Hampton is lying.
RTG said that there was no evidence of a certain type of bot being used.
If Pirate used a simple bot, the type that is commonly used (and not allowed!!!) at Pogo, then nothing that RTG said disproves that.
It is against Hamptons policy to use any bot.
Nothing is proven as far as I can see.
What they said was their software can’t track a players mouse movement, There is know flaw in their software, and they don’t know if a bot was used.
If you remember Dom Hampton said they tracked the player’s mouse movement that’s how they knew he was using a bot. And they alluded to the fact the p21 used a flaw in the software to win his money.
Also if you read my post I said RTG basically said Hampton was lying. This is what I meant by that.
emg35
Also Dom can you not read p21 thread and RTG’s thread and not conclusion that Hampton has not lied about anything?
emg35
Point taken. True.
Still, it does not preclude the use of a bot, and Hampton has also made it very clear that they will not publicise any actual technical information regarding how they know that he used a bot. The “mouse movement” part was tossed onto the table during the illegally taped conversations between these parties. Everyone was lying through their teeth in those conversations.
So I am undecided on the bot.
I think that Hampton’s asking the Pirate to wager a million a week or whatever it was in order to continue to get paid is way out there. That is really lousy. Giddy from a big win, a person might agree to such an unreasonable, silly request. It makes no sense either – the pirate is roaring to go and play more anyway.
I don’t see a good guy in this matter at the time.
I may change that opinion anytime – it is only an opinion, based on what has been published at Meister’s, WOL and B2G.
Without the technical information, an educated opinion is not really possible.
Good points Dom
I only disagree with the mouse clicks piont. Hampton used it as proof in their posts at Casinomeister. They used it as proof he used a bot. You can read that in the link below.
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/showthread.php?p=25846#post25846
The bottom line is though Hampton is now losing money. I know of a lot webmaster that are now pulling them off their site’s and I am sure that a lot of players will stay far, far way.
emg35
Well, regardless of how all of that turns out even now, it is always a bad idea to make a public event of someone NOT being paid a Million.
That is bad publicity indeed.
Most of the time I agree that is “no such thing as bad publicity” (myself being a point in case,
), but here we are looking at an exception.A Million $ win is a huge promotional tool – and RTG offering a game where one person repeatedly won goodly amounts of money at various casinos, is also.
I am still tuned and very interested in how this plays out. But I think the fat lady hasn’t sung yet.
The thread at Casinomeister clearly shows Hampton lied about their so called proof that a bot had been used. The MANUFACTURER of the software stated that tracking mouse movements is NOT a feature built into the software.
Hampton lied when they said they determined a bot was used by reviewing logs and tracing mouse movements. Cut and dry.
In the same thread it was clear that RTG stated it would be impossible for a bot to change the basic fact the game has a built in house edge no matter what a human (or bot) does.
They stated it’s a negative expectation game for the player.
To claim that a bot changed the odds of the game or pay outs the Pirate would have been due is absurd and a way to avoid paying a winner a large sum of money.
They were reaching for any straws they could find to invalidate a win by a player. Hampton watched the whole thing unfold and each hand played. This was no surprise to them. The player asked them to raise the table limits, they reviewed his play and manually approved the increased hand limits. They were in the drivers seat through out this whole incident and are fully responsible for the outcome.
Do you think it was the bot that asked for a table increase? Was it a bot dealer that approved $10K per hand wagers?
When Ron was trying to set the player up on the phone the pirate went along with him in hopes of getting paid. But ANYONE with even a basic understanding of programming would have known he was joking when he said the bot was written in COBOL. That language was popular in the 1960s and 70s. It’s basically a dead language. Hell, when I graduated college in 1984 it had already been abandoned and people where writing in C++
Honestly when have you seen a COBOL application discussed anywhere in recent memory?
The whole thing stinks like a fish that spent a week in the Nevada desert.
If RTG hadnt of stepped in and saved face for themselves as a software provider it would have been a terrible black mark against them and a terrible precedent for ALL players.
There is no ambiguity here at all. Hampton is in the wrong…
A Million $ win is a huge promotional tool – and RTG offering a game where one person repeatedly won goodly amounts of money at various casinos, is also.
Absolutely correct and the way it should be played out.
I guarantee you though had Pirate NOT gone public with this there was no way in hell Hampton would have paid him. Now at least he has a shot at redemption.
In this case public message boards saved the day. Thank god for freedom of speach and people like Bryan Bailey (Casino Mesiter) who provide forums where people can call attention to these types of injustice. The system of checks and balances worked.
