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From google’s announcement
This isn’t a negative vote for the site where the comment was posted; it’s just a way to make sure that spammers get no benefit from abusing public areas like blog comments, trackbacks, and referrer lists.
Doesn’t matter. Just imagine this scenario – especially if you are linked to PR6 site like mine (well hell, I *was* PR7 for the longest time)
Let’s just say I update all my links with this new addition – and in a couple of days some of you discover that your PR has dropped because you lost a link from a site with high PR.
That’s the simple version of it. I will not explain the complicated version of this scenario because, frankly, it’s too damn easy to figure out anyhow LOL. I have no intention of giving anyone a head start.
I hear you Spear. Esp. since the ‘visible’ pagerank is now updated once every three months.
I’m afraid this measure will have more negative impact then expected, and it won’t rule out the spammers. They will find other ways…cheers,
JeffSpearmaster wrote:Doesn’t matter. Just imagine this scenario – especially if you are linked to PR6 site like mine (well hell, I *was* PR7 for the longest time)Let’s just say I update all my links with this new addition – and in a couple of days some of you discover that your PR has dropped because you lost a link from a site with high PR.
There is no negative in that. In fact it is a huge positive. Legitimate links now become even more legitimate, and exchanging links with unethical twerps becomes more undesirable and time wasting.
It’s a whole new ballgame of legitimacy that works several ways. Link exchanges could now focus only on their natural purpose, reccomendations to site visitors, if a site wants to do it that way. Which also means that links that don’t have the no follow tag now are more legitimate (which is a danger as mentioned above: spamming blogs that don’t use the tag becomes a bit more valuable).
The shakeup should be exchanging links will become a lot more genuine and difficult. You might not like that as a webmaster, but it will inevitably lead to you yourself making more thoughtful link exchange choices.
Well, while Google and MSN are talking about the bots, Yahoo is talking about integrating the change into their index. Now I am not a “fancy big city webmaster”, but isnt the index supposed to be just that – an index, the final front of the results? If they will integrate something into the index, to me it sound as they will pose a penalty of a kind to the websites which got linked with the tag.
I turlly hope this would not be the case, because everybody would suffer, big time, and it would be a pretty stupid idea…What I am pissed off about this, is that a bunch of highly paid engeneers tought about this for months to come out with some half-ass solution, and on top of that, give it a high PR, so it would seem like all the problems have been solved, when all they did is give more stress to the webmasters about the “bugs” we could expect from this new tag…
I am sorry to be so negative about it, but if Google could index the New York Library, they should have no problem dealing with the blog links, if they really want to spend time and money on it.
( Not to be confused with “They could put a man on the moon, but…” )I won’t argue the “legitimacy” bit, that I can understand – and of course I am generally picky (read: no new links) about who we link with.
Again, without going into detail, I still see a major fault with this because it is something that is not “closed” – ie. a webmaster can decide whether or not to use this “nofollow” tag. This by extension will skew results anyhow. If it is not something that can be applied across the board (ie. internally) it is not a good idea.
Quote:links that don’t have the no follow tag now are more legitimate (which is a danger as mentioned above: spamming blogs that don’t use the tag becomes a bit more valuable)Exactly. That’s what I was referring to when I mentioned skewed results ( after re-reading your post LOL )
“If they will integrate something into the index, to me it sound as they will pose a penalty of a kind to the websites which got linked with the tag.”
If I give you $20 on Monday, but don’t give you $20 on Tuesday, that is not a “penalty”.
There is no penalty involved here. Something is just going to be valued less (not at all). It’s as if they decided to not value keyword in domain name. They can choose to do that if they want.
I guess I’ll mention the other massive positive to this… the entire gambling sector should see a huge spike in pagerank now that it is possible to code affiliate links with the no follow tag. Currently we send pagerank off to basically non-existent affiliate tracking URLs. With this change, you won’t bleed off PR to your affiliate links… instead, all your link power will go to your other pages or to your genuine link partners.
If I give you $20 on Monday, but don’t give you $20 on Tuesday, that is not a “penalty”.
It would be a “penalty” if you dont give me $20 on Tuesday, because Sam was talking about me.
Google and MSN are talking about their bots, and what bothers me about Yahoo’s publication is the following sentence:
In the coming weeks you can expect to see the changes reflected in our web index.
It just doesnt make much sence to me. Bare with me for a second:
Lets say that from now on, Yahoo doesnt take in account ANY links from blogs – however, the top positions on Yahoo for any gambling keyword has been taken already by a website with over 10,000 blog links.
And here is the funky part – now, if those websites have already gathered 10,000 links, and nobody could spam anymore (utopia, that is), where will you get the 10,000 links to your website from, so there could be a change in the index, and you get #1 position??? Now, lets not forget, that Google/MSN/Yahoo are talking ONLY about stop counting links from blogs, and not about giving more weight on the rest of the links. This in turn will make those 10,000 old blog links better, because they are not “marked as untrusted”, respectively, now you have to compete with 10,000 trusted links…
So what change in the index should we expect??? If there is a change in the index expected, it means that there will be something negative for websites which got linked to with “the tag”…I hope I am wrong…I am yet to see a positive side of this new tag.
There is a tought I’ve been toying with – that with this Google is trying to become the Microsoft of the search engines, but trying to see if they could apply standarts when they feel like it. I wounder what the reaction of w3.com would be…
The old links will have the tag too.
Legitimate links now become even more legitimate, and exchanging links with unethical twerps becomes more undesirable and time wasting.
It’s a whole new ballgame of legitimacy that works several ways. Link exchanges could now focus only on their natural purpose, reccomendations to site visitors, if a site wants to do it that way.
If that should be in the future, I would be very happy. It is what things should be like. It will promote quality. It will make the web a better place and it will make the gambling industry a lot less seedy and a lot more respectable.
Stupid’s point about the 10,000 links is something I hadn’t considered. Obviously this is super overkill at its finest… LOL… but Yahoo has a crap algorithm they should be fixing rather than expecting everyone to put new “nofollow” tags into their sites – and keep in mind a lot of websites are basically “dead”.
Quote:The old links will have the tag too.This will depend entirely on what blog software (if any) is being used, and whether or not the blog webmaster chooses to update his software – and even how he chooses to update (ie. retag all outgoing links, or tag outgoing links from here on in).
How would old links have the tag? I’m just confused about this. Joe downloads software and installs a blog on his website. Joe uses the blog for 6 months and never uses it again. The blog is now a spam friendly website.
Joe is not about to go visit a website he hasn’t touched in 2 years to upgrade the software.
LOL Antoine… snuck in before you
This is a major disaster, period. Let’s forget the fact that it could “potentially” be better for webmasters in the future. Focus on the fact that this is likely to screw everyone for a long time to come unless every webmaster immediately adopts this new tag – and that will never, never happen, not by a long shot.
I agree, i cannot see most webmasters integrating this tag. There might be a 20% penetration, and this being from tech savvy blog owners. Those are the owners who for the most part know how to avoid the spam in the first place. People with personal homepages will remain unaware on how to implement these changes, or even that they should. Most of the blog is on old abandoned blogs so it nullifies everything anyway.
For the long term future it might help. But for the short term, it’s not doing much.
I’m slightly more optimistic than you… maybe 30% LOL.
Following is the link to the Webmasterworld discussion, since this is obviously not just a gambling industry problem:
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum5/6053.htm
GoogleGuy has either been muzzled by his masters, or he has lost the common sense which hs *usually* has.
The problem I was alluding to has been mentioned in this thread already by someone very respected (btw, I only just went to this thread, my own comments in past posts are strictly based on opinion and zero research).
I predict that they will drop this initiative within a few weeks, it is so badly flawed…
