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@Stupid 175701 wrote:
And the fact that they will discuss your poor performance – I see it as a plus, rather than negative.
Discussing performance.. no problem.. Talking to me about things .. no problem…
But to BLACKMAIL me.. SERIOUS PROBLEM!!!!!
Funny that as soon as somebody actually makes money they turn to this tactic..
most of the complaints in the other thread are from people who have made money (or an amount worth taking note of) for the FIRST time.. and suddenly payments are put on hold!I thought the “you pay me for protection” days were over..
Stupid wrote:And yes, I would like to see an industry standad in T&Cs, where both parties are required to do something. This way when one aff program breaks the T&C everyone could see the facts.But many ARE doing their bit.. if the players do not convert.. how is that our fault? Sending the players to the casino is our job.. converting them is theirs!!
Not really.
If you read the other thread, there are a few of those people, who said they have not actually read the T&Cs. Well, “ignorance of the law is not a defense”, not reading the T&Cs is not a defence either. If you sign a contract without reading it, you cannot blame the other party when they enforce it.
What I fail to grasp here is – you believe that BCP should pay you, because that’s per their T&C, but complain when they don’t as per their T&C.
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/showthread.php?t=29613
I don’t see anybody saying that…. Except me.. but those were not there when I signed up.
@Stupid 175715 wrote:
It’s not blackmail if it’s a point of contract you agreed to..
We didn’t agree to this T&C. This has been in place only since June and they applying it to us retrospectively.
@Stupid 175701 wrote:
There are plenty of aff programs which in this case would simply move 95% of your active players to a “company account” and solve this problem without visibly breaking any T&Cs.
I agree, but some, after shaving 95% of your income may come after you telling that you didn’t send enough players…thus won’t pay you.
Let’s this day be the day of truth! Speak up!We didn’t agree to this T&C. This has been in place only since June and they applying it to us retrospectively.
Also within their rights. Hell, I still remember when Referback dropped the commission percentage retrospectively. And I think Referback is one of the top Microgaming aff programs, although at the time I did not think so.
Bottom Line – All aff programs want to see their affiliates perform and weed out those who drop their ads. This is a fact. They could do it in one of two ways – mess with your stats or go the BCP way and hold your commission until you discuss the matter.
The BCP issue, although not affecting me right now, will affect me in a long run, when many aff programs see that when they go the business-way and try to “reach across the aisle” – all they get is a lot of bitching and bad reputation. While, if they simply “wind down your account” – no one notices.When this T&C was introduced, affiliate guard dog warned about it. The program responded by saying that it would not be enforced.
It is being enforced. They lied.
The more I read, the more I am getting to the point of pulling them.
Stupid, we have fought here for decent T&Cs for years. If some programs cheat and steal, and we catch them, we hold them responsible.
Now, if a program wants to introduce a different set of T&Cs than you signed for, fine. It applies to all who sign up under it.
What applies to you is the contract YOU signed. That is the way business and the legal world work. All the disclaimers in the world are null and void if they are retroactrive. When T&Cs state that they are subject to change anytime, it’s just meant to pull wool over your eyes. A contract is a contract is a contract. It’s an agreement between two parties. What other parties agree to is irrelevant.
@Stupid 175723 wrote:
While, if they simply “wind down your account” – no one notices.
I notice!:wink-wink
How about reinstating death penalty and apply it retrospectively? Hanging people after serving 20 years…
The only thing I have to add…
BCP is the one who broke the contract, not affiliates who are being retroactively applied their new term (that they didn’t sign up for nor agree to).
And, like Dom said, they stated the rule wouldn’t be applied. That is another breach of their word. Honesty with this company? I don’t think so.
Stupid – you say other companies steal players instead? Well, since BCP has no problem with dishonesty and contract fraud…. How do you know they don’t steal players as well? You don’t.
What applies to you is the contract YOU signed. That is the way business and the legal world work. All the disclaimers in the world are null and void if they are retroactrive.
This is also not true. Real world example – in May I got the Sprint Mobile Broadband as a way to have Internet wherever I go. When I signed the contract, I signed on UNLIMITED data. One month later Sprint changed the data plan from unlimited to 5GB, which was applied to ALL CUSTOMERS. The only thing existing customers could to was to leave the company without paying the early termination fee.
If you actually read the T&C, a lot of programs are using similar terms and changing it retroactively, when they can. When I signed up with Bet 365, the T&C was that you will get your first commission only after referring 5 players. Now the T&C state that you HAVE TO bring 5 players in the first three months or your account will be closed.
How about reinstating death penalty and apply it retrospectively? Hanging people after serving 20 years…
And that’s why there is a law that you can be sentenced only once for the same crime :hattip:
Of course some programs have crazy T&Cs, and apparently they find enough crazy people risk their livelihood promoting them.
If I saw this industry like you do, stupid, I would see that I get the heck outta here.
Affiliates work for free unless they generate revenue for the casino. Once they do, they get a percentage of what they created for the casino. They get no pension, no health insurance, no paid vacvations, no maternity leave, no nothing. All they have is the promises a program made when they signed up.
If you are trying to defend BC , you are doing a lousy job, the blackmail tactics you approve of throw them in a lump with other crooked programs, as you are so quick to point out.
There are plenty of decent programs out there. I don’t have to deal with blackmail to make a living. If that was the case I’d be outta here in a flash.
If I earn the casino money, I am entitled to be paid. Any program that doesn’t agree with that can go and xxxxxxx. I won’t be promoting them, that is just nuts.
Any program that doesn’t agree with that can go and xxxxxxx. I won’t be promoting them, that is just nuts.
Fair enough
