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Seems a bit extreme if you ask me.
Kinda forcing people to make a decision as to which conference either side of ICE they go to. Bad move fellas…
at least these seem to be back to back.. so you can just go for about 10 days and see all and everything..
10 days in London is quite an expense unless you want to stay in a closet for the duration…
Programs always talk about the ROI from conferences – it has to be there for affs too.
If I take one staff with me and stay in a Hotel with decent sized rooms, adding in transportation (air and ground both continents), figuring that no one is going to feed us 3 meals a day for 10 days (12 days since it’s a day’s travel each way), it would cost me some 10,000 to go. I would have missed almost a half month’s worth of work. I would be lugging a lot of baggage. And London in January – not exactly a fun destination suitable for sightseeing.
Adding another conference to the already crowded conference scene isn’t going to help anyone. All the conference folks need to sit down together and hammer out a mutually agreeable schedule.
Programs are not the only ones squeezed by these schedules and incessant conferences, affiliates are too. I can see affiliates choosing one or two a year since it is so overwhelming, and programs spending more money for more conferences with even less ROI.
Just my two cents. :hattip:
@alexross 203631 wrote:
Gap?
What?
Who?GAP = gamblingaffiliateprograms.org
A group (large) of programs that formed and met at CAC Amsterdam for the first time.
mmm a members’ only club with a private forum
the goal is to support an entity that is aligned with our interests and will help cultivate our community in a fair and impartial manner including developing business relationships as well as optimizing networking opportunities.
can someone translate this nebulous statement into proper english please? call me naive, but I don’t think all these sites want to help each other in the slightest. what’s their real angle / goal I wonder? why do they need a conference…? They would all be happy if the others companies died and fell on their faces.
also funny to see 888.com on their “list of 65”.. one of the internet’s biggest spammers in the past.
additionally, I see the word “certification” bandied around on the homepage.. What’s the deal anyone?People know my opinion – I think its silly – One of the reasons operators formed GAP was because they had enough of the amount of events and things like in Dam where we held AAC and forced them to choose between that and CAC so this is really ironic :sarcasm:
If we had messed up with London, increased our rates, or basically done anything wrong and not given them value then fair enough but all this does is force people to choose – Judging by polls in other forums most people don’t support it but I never take anything for granted so will work even harder now to make London gigantic and even better for affiliates.
Luckily we have our venue and details almost sorted and they are the best yet (no lie – Bang in the centre of town on the Thames) so am not too worried at the moment –
Right back to Budapest
@alexross 203634 wrote:
mmm a members’ only club with a private forum
can someone translate this nebulous statement into proper english please? call me naive, but I don’t think all these sites want to help each other in the slightest. what’s their real angle / goal I wonder? why do they need a conference…? They would all be happy if the others companies died and fell on their faces.
also funny to see 888.com on their “list of 65”.. one of the internet’s biggest spammers in the past.
additionally, I see the word “certification” bandied around on the homepage.. What’s the deal anyone?From what I hear the “meeting” at CAC didn’t go that well and there wasn’t really an agreement or anything close to it – Problem is they all want different things ranging from a GAP owned conference through to an official certification program possibly from Ecogra through to a forum and then even as far as readjusting their relationship with affiliates as a whole.
There is a lot of opportunity here for both affiliates, operators and in fact the indusrty with some great potential benefits but unless there is some kind of organisation and direction it seems it will either die away quietly or continue in its present form which from the outside appears slightly disorganised without a true focus (I could be wrong as I can’t see all the forums there, just part)
I actually would like to see GAP succeed but only if it will benefit the market as a whole and provide some transparency, ethics and stability to the iGaming affiliate market as a whole
Did I miss something? I thought the whole Idea was to have less events not more. My understanding was (from CAC) that we as operators were going to streamline the events to max 4 per year? with some local small events?
I just don’t understand why GAP would do this? This just makes the events less worth while. I bit the bullet like many other programs and were in Amsterdam twice – both events were smaller due to 2 shows.
I will post to find out what the deal is on GAP – I guess I can’t take a day off:tongue:
So now it looks like we are polarizing our affiliates to choose – all of the affiliate sites have something to offer. Lets get together and work smart.:grunt:
Dominique wrote:Adding another conference to the already crowded conference scene isn’t going to help anyone. All the conference folks need to sit down together and hammer out a mutually agreeable schedule.Agreed…
I think until it is mutually agreed on which conferences affiliates will attend though, there will be conferences popping up everywhere because it’s hard to know which conference a company will get a positive ROI out of so I guess people think they need to go to all of them in order to meet everyone..
The problem with that is that if one conference is mutually decided on, the other conference organisers miss out..
Perhaps something better than the current situation would be 2 conferences per year, but instead of being 3 or 4 days long, they should be a week long.. That way you have ample time to meet everyone you need to.
Just my 2 cents. This is starting to get ridiculous.. The more conferences that popup, the more you will get groups (like ours and a few others) who decide to go to neither. Then the affiliates end up missing out in the end.
Yeah, and the more conferences pop up the less affiliates will go to each of them. It’ll all level out.
Then how do you decide on where to go.
I like going to two a year with lectures, and one spring break type. That’s my limit pretty much.
@Dominique 203646 wrote:
Yeah, and the more conferences pop up the less affiliates will go to each of them. It’ll all level out.
Then how do you decide on where to go.
I like going to two a year with lectures, and one spring break type. That’s my limit pretty much.
Yep. Personally I think that the more conferences that pop up, the more people will just stop going altogether..
They cost enough already let alone “in this financial crisis.”
It’s great that the conference organisers are making money out of it all, but I think they forget the money has to come from somewhere.. and when that somewhere disappears because it has no more money, there will be no more conferences..I personally think Alex puts on a great show… and I think the organisers of all these conferences should sit down together and have a chat about doing co-sponsored shows or something. At least if there were less shows co-run by 2 groups there would be a better expectation that most people would be there.
Bring back Vegas!
too many conferences .. period.. its logistically impossible for the majority of people to attend all of them and adding more is making it even harder to work out which are viable and which are not
how about posting an attendee list for the conferences that Alex runs? .. like if you confirm your registration for a conference, why can’t the attendees be listed by CAP username or something – that way everyone knows who’s going
i guess you could have a “don’t publish my attendance” checkbox on the registration form, but you could also incorporate a “meet me” or something similar button where an aff manager or aff can click and register their interest in meeting up with whoever it is .. email gets fired off to the recipient and they can organise it from there
provided it was policed and didn’t get spammed it could be helpful?
my 2 cents to add to Renees 2 cents making 4 cents
I think the other thing that needs to be added here is that while affiliate managers are out of the office on conference trips, they are not in the office doing work.
I think in the long term this will affect productivity and the groups will start to pull back (or not send star affiliate managers :tongue:)
Another 2 cents making 6 cents now.
