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We are getting them too, so maddening!!!!!!
well I am sorry to hear that u had then password thieves.
I started a thread about this very subject a few months ago and I must say that given the number of webmasters in this forum I was very disappointed with the feedback. Only one forum member was kind enough to give me any feedback.
No. I think you will find that you cannot change your password mid registration.
Anyway, I set up a few freerolls, and (well I wont say here how ) but i managed to catch the thieves. They are moronic to say the least. I caught them very easily. I named them. I shamed them. I gave them hell. I blocked them from getting hold of future passwords. They denied it of course, but I have the evidence. I have gathered there player names on many poker sites, their IP addresses, their eMail addresses, their real names and in some cases their home addresses. It wasnt too difficult once I had set my mind to it
Unfortunately, if you now have them in your forum, you are STUCK with them until you identify and block them. Basically, there is a group of 5 European Forums Owners, who not only post YOUR password in their forums alomgside their own banners for the particular poker site, they actively encourage and reward members who find and post your password.
There are a large number of poker sites that do NOT care less that this is happening. They turn a blind eye to it and have responded in an extremely patronising manner when facts have been related to them.
I log into these 5 renegade Forums daily ( anon of course ) and see that they continually post other affiliates passwords. They dont give a damn.
I am in the process of setting up a BLACKLIST website, which will name those culprits – with all the information that I have on them AND will name the poker sites ( ones no doubt that YOU promote ) that dont care a fiddlers aspidestra that.
For anyone who is seriously interested in the blacklist, then a PM will secure a link to it when I am ready to release it. Contributions amd members to iit will be heartily welcomed
Ok. Just so that those doubting Thomases amongst you know that i meant what i said….. here is just one of the posts that i made in my forum. This represents about 2 per cent of the info i spent many hours collecting, tracking and proving beyond any reasonable doubt…..
With the assistance of:
the forum security log
Players last log in details
PokerNORDICA tournament Registration details
knowledge gained from the previous 2 Trophy events
and other information seen,I apoligise to members who had to wait a long time to receive the password – It was deliberate. It was necessary to keep the number of players Registered in the Tourney to a minimum in order that I could trap the thief.
this is what happened, when i closely monitored who received the password from me at a particular moment in time …
All quoted times are BST
28th June and Prior. Password was released to hand picked, trustworthy Forum Members. some of those, registered for the Tourney
29th June Continued to release passwords to hand picked Forum Members.
10:56 knapping (Rom) knapping64
16:42 catalin (Rom) razwanelu
19:24 catalin logged into the FORUM, where he found the password waiting for him
19:39 catalin had Registered for the Tourney,19.39 forum members: badbeat Dimitry84, nickbv pokeristul232 registered for the Tourney. Neither of them had been released the password, nor had they logged into the Forum since 28th June.
19:39 forum member kendiking (Rom) kendiernest23 registered for the Tourney. He had not been released the password. He had not logged in the Forum since 22 June.
19:39 forum member nutzu2005 (Rom) NNNutzu2005 registered for the Tourney. He had not been released the password.
19:39. An additional 14 password thieves registered for the Tourney … …
antonio2424 – (Spain)
brasoveanubv – (Romania)
born2gainpoke – (Italy)
englsigh1 – (USA)
Flach Nordic – (Latvia)
fortzamilan – (Pakistan)
goldenpokerus – – (Russia)
manrullpoker – (Spain)
maximilian5151 – (Ukraine)
maxpointsitalia – (Italy)
pokertime1 – (Portugal)
ronaldobraz
sebastianbv1 – (Romania)
toogood4alland they kept on coming .. .. ..
bestboy1 – (Rom)
aurasant (Rom) – aurasant26 – Forum Owner APP – a very prolific thiever of passwords !!!
Brierefan48 – (USA)
claudio25 – (Rom)
armanda – comanche39 – (Rom)
Madisyn3 – (Canada)
sol222 – (Rom)Of the above list of password thieves, 9 of them, ALSO stole the password for Coinmans Trophy 1 and Coinmans Trophy 2 events
I could have cancelled the game at that point. decided against that course of action. Released the password to the whole FORUM. Why should a few thieves spoil our event.
i continue to watch the Rumanian Forums – and the other thieving forums, who publish our passwords, and those of many many other forums alongside their own banners which promote the poker sites in question.
The Poker Sites are FULLY aware of this. They do nothing. They ALLOW it to continue. They allow other FORUM owners to steal and publish our freeroll and buyin passwords. What do you think about that ??
If you put up the site you talked about, and it contains the things you mentioned, I will be happy to link to it from the G&C blacklist section.
We are about to launch our poker and hopefully a half decent AP!
I have seen this issue many times before. Previous poker sites i have worked with have had exactly the same issues. Perhaps if affiliates want to seriously push poker they need to vet their own database before offering a freeroll.
The result of what happens at present is the affiliate makes less income (freerollers) and so does the site.
Casinos have been dealing with this (reputable) issue with bonuses for many years and have never been supported by the affiliate, now perhaps the affiliate is affected.
Affiliates and online gaming operators should work together to tackle this. Poker / Bingo are ultimate aquistion tools – both just need to manage what traffic is sent to each other.
My personal opinion and H the AM at Globet might have his own view!
Jack
@Globet 138061 wrote:
We are about to launch our poker and hopefully a half decent AP!
Affiliates and online gaming operators should work together to tackle this. Poker / Bingo are ultimate aquistion tools – both just need to manage what traffic is sent to each other.
Jack
Well. I like to theory BUT it just does NOT happen – and my investigations and knowledge gained over the past 30 months lead me to believe that it will NEVER happen. Why is that. Its because there would need to be a free passage of information between the poker site and the affiliate. It doesn’t happen now and it will NEVER happen. . . .
1. Poker sites will not , thats NOT, divulge any detailed information about our customers that we send them via our websites and forums – so how could we possibly be expected to fill in all the missing information that our blacklist database would require to eradicate these thieves.
2. 2. A NEW poker site on the horizon you say. Well I currently promote some 75 poker, bingo, sportsbroks etc. There have been a further 75 that have come and gone. So NO, I will not divulge my downlists to ANY new site – that has a 50 per cent chance of totally wasting my my valuable time.
So i will continue to search for these thieves. I have lists and lists of them. In one freeroll that i set up in May 2007 there were 300 thieves registered. – I cancelled the game 2 hours before the shuffle up. I am currently building a database on each and every one of them. I am passionate about this. I receive NO help from any other webmasters. I receive No financial reward for it. I do it because these people sicken me. I watch then. I see them publise YOUR passwords in their forums and mailing lists regularly.
I have read the deals they have struck with other forum owners. I could join any number of YOUR freerolls that i wanted to. Just tell me the time and place of your next freeroll and I’ll tell you the password as soon as you release it.
I see your point.
The thing isn’t to give out lists only for the bonus/offer to be on mismanaged advertising of freerolls etc. Who gives out the codes? Hardly the site….your members! It’s in no interest of the poker room to do so.
If you like the theory I am not sure of your ‘it will ‘NEVER’ happen’, why don’t we strive to have it happen regardless of past failures?
As for new site, Globet is hardly new, just way behind in the Poker sense as it hasn’t been the market for the core countries.
Affiliates alone are not hurt by the thieves, if you wish a one man campagin, go for it. I was only suggesting that working together is the best way to combat such challenges as it affects both. If a forum wants to openly offer a freeroll and a poker site is willing to accept, how can any one be upset when misc traffic comes along.
Just my opinion (repeated)
Jack
Ps no need for capitals….I get the point
@Globet 138073 wrote:
I see your point.
‘it will ‘NEVER’ happen’, why don’t we strive to have it happen regardless of past failures?
if you wish a one man campagin, go for it.
Jack
I have written to many poker sites over the past few months giving them specific info and asking for specific for info – to assist me with my research on this matter. There willingness to assist in this matter on a scale of 1 to 10 has averaged 1 and a bit.
It will NEVER happen.
A few months ago – i started this topic in another post. Of the 4,800 active members in this forum – only one member gave me some positive information to assist my database of these thieves. Dont patronise me with your comments. Instead – use your efforts to educate the masses through your websites
Great you go for it.
Pick and choose selected comments out of someone’s replies and make them back your argument.
No patronising, just asking you not to use captials….. if you have never recieved feedback then i would think you are promoting the wrong rooms.
I’ll be fine promoting my rooms and will involve affilaites in the sort of abuse that you are reffering too. Therefore, proving you wrong. Nothing to do with databases, just relationships.
Perhaps affiliates should vet there database to an extent a ‘room’ does… not only having an email address, but using it as an income stream. Why send out emails/correspondence to someone you have no info on. It can happen once or twice, but no more. Maybe as an affiliate it it time to upgrade practises too ensure you are as transparent as the room/casino you promote.
You go about your thing the way you wish, just dont get upset when you find ‘theft’ after not considering information flow or believing the room will be interested.
Jack
The only real solution to freeroll whores is to only use poker rooms where YOU, the person creating the freeroll, can send in a list of all players you want to participate in it. There’s a few rooms out there that do that – I believe Paradise used to, I think Boss Network sites have that capability, Full Tilt possibly?
Also the only other method would be to have a freeroll, prizes announced as $0, and then after the event transfer the cash to the players yourself. That way if the person who won the freeroll grabbed the password from somewhere, you can just skip him and pay 1st prize to the legitimate player who finished top.
True that is the only way to do it. I have done that in the past but of course not many affiliates want this as a freeroll is a good aquistion tool too sign up with the affiliate.
It’s a good discussion point regarding private freerolls imo.
jack
completely ruined a $200 freeroll last night, about 10-15 were ligit players the rest (100 played) wern’t. i was gutted:( i actually hate these people, i think im becoming psychotic.
Putting on another tournament for my players in a fortnight (yesterday) and this will be restricted to the players i send.
Needless to say, i had plenty of apologies to make last night to upset players that couldn’t register. The poker room in question apparently has a history, according to affiliate guard dog, of not punishing content theives and spammers so can i assume such a poker room wouldn’t punish the affiliate on whose forums published the password?
I can understand your fustration. The poker site probably has 10000’s of players and takes it for granted that affiliates will send thru traffic to a freeroll that is vetted/ok. It’s a promotional tool for your site(s) as well as the room so who does what.
I really feel for you as i have been on the receiving end of a few abuses. The point of my orginal post was that it needs tackling together rather than individually. Sending in a list is ok depending on the cut off date/time but for both freerolls are acquistion tools and nobady likes to waste on this.
Jack
unique, single-use passwords would be one possibility, possibly impractical because you’d have to email everyone individually. I’m sure it could be made to work though.
We can already create our own links to poker rooms, why not our own passwords for our own tournaments?
If a player wants to register they could email you, request a unique password and if you know they are eligible then you can send them one.just a thought
Good idea.
Rooms might be not that keen for individual passwords as most decent systems would need this setting up manually
But good idea, next time we meet our supplier it might be worth suggesting.
Jack
