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I wouldnt be surprised if honest affiliates arent shaved to cover the losses generated by the scammers.
Whether by shaving or lowering commission % or changing the contract and demanding a new player every month to qualify for a certain % or any number of other ways – a business has to recoup losses and we are paying for this.
Don’t fool yourself into thinking it’s the program that loses out – you are!
And we are talking about 10,000 or more per scam – not a few hundred like it may seem to you. Elisabeth and Michelle did this intelligently and are raking in a lot of money – your money!
Another public post by amateur – not knowing that most all know her name:
Amateur
GPWA Asst. ManagerJoined: 19 Dec 2001
Posts: 1657Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:20 pm Post subject:
Okay, so you want to know who the crooked affiliates are? Is any program welcome to present this information? Will they also be required to present proof? Will that conflict with “confidentiality”?What if it’s presented that “you” have done something a program considers “wrong”? What recourse do you have to clear your name? What criteria will there be before an affiliate is considered a “rogue”?
Of course, we’d all like to know who the bad apples are, and we’d like them punished accordingly. But what is simple in theory, gets very sticky in the execution.
Greg already knows this, which is why he brought it here.
We’re already displaying very strong emotions on this subject, and what has been accomplished? How much further are we toward a solution?
The bottom line is that each program will have to deal with this on a case by case basis.
Appearances can be deceiving. Say my husband and I have a joint checking/Neteller accounts. We share the affiliate income. So we split up. Then I have to get everything separate, including affiliate tags. Say someone else gets a new tag, new Neteller, new bank account. It looks the same from the outside, but is it a situation to be governed by the same rules?
You see how making blanket determinations for everyone is not the answer. You can’t point fingers at a group, and be right. If even one person is hurt unfairly by this, the GPWA has failed in its mission.
We are not a police organization. You link with whomever you want, and drop the ones you don’t want. You don’t know everyone personally you link with anyway. For all you know, you’re linking with a serial killer or a child molester who may be a very good link partner. But you don’t want to link with someone who has a duplicate affiliate account.
We have to keep this in perspective, and not jump on the bandwagon as it comes riding down the road.
As for affiliate programs and their communicating, or not. Greg himself moved from Alkemize to Wager Junction. Will he never again speak to his former co-workers. What about John or Connie? or any number of others we know of who have moved from one program to another? I’m not given to believing everything I am told. Money is money, and people have been known to lie and even worse to get it, or to keep it.
I’m not accusing anyone of anything. Indeed, my point is to not accuse people without careful thought and means to do right by those whose names may be put before the public as “felons” of a sort.
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AmateurFailure doesn’t mean you’ll never make it,
it does mean it will take a little longer
TheAPage
TheAPage ForumI am eager to see if anyone at GPWA posts who the two people in question are and what the response will be then.
I just read this thread for the first time and my jaw is on the floor. I guess I just still don’t believe how many dishonest assholes are out there.
My concern is how this reflects on all of us as affiliates yet I do understand the opinion and tend to agree that the affiliate programs left the door open on this one.
That doesn’t make it right, but like everything with a loophole someone will be tempted.
I hope the programs don’t over react as is their tendency to do (anyone remember the Danes ?)
I have never seen such poor business practise (as in inept) as I have in this industry. I dont have an answer to how to right that.
I have seen programs defraud affiliates (including me), Cindy defraud the members of GPWA and now affiliates defraud the casinos.
I really do not have much faith in anyone anymore, I am glad we have been able to maintain this group at least.
