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How long to be approved at APCW for membership?
dalster44
dalster44 wrote:How long to be approved at APCW for membership?Are you speaking for yourself? Or do you mean how long did it take Fortune to arrive at this point?
If it’s for individual webmasters, usually within 24 hours… depending on if I’m at my desk or away…
For casinos, usually within a week, depending upon if I know the program or not… and if not, how quickly I can contact them via the phone.
Thank you J Todd for the information. Fortune Affiliates has amitted tracking problems early on in the beginning. Based on comparable migrogaming stats over the past few years I must say Fortune Affiliates has a big problem. They need to get their act together and pay their affiliates what is due. There bullshit don’t fly and never will. I am sick and tired of bullshit. Back pay your affiliates what is due Fortune Affilaites now. Thanks again J Todd for bringing this audit to our attention.
Thanks, Allan :colgate:
It’s nice to have the support of all the quality webmasters and decent people here at CAP… and you’re up top on that list, my friend!
I will say this openly because I have put alot of time into this recurring problem with programs.
Some programs have found the magic bullet when it comes to marketing. The affiliate is becoming an endangered species. There are more scrapers than actual hard working webmasters.
Programs are also starting up a huge number of front pages that is a scary thought.
Therefore, a more aggressive stance against scraping would be a beginning towards being takin more seriously. Do you really think they care about your report? do you really think they care about your hard work? I say no way, they have enough resources now to do it all on there own. The resources they employ do not meet the guide lines of any SE’s policies and this is their achilles heal. Become more proactive against dishonest webmasters and practices of aff programs.
I would bet earnings are far less now than a year ago and yet the market is growing.
Unless we as a community of honest webmasters take back our market share, profits will continue too dwindle.I am pulling them off my site, do you think they really care? no way! greek39
Fortune has had tracking issues for years; yes that’s right years! Affiliates far and near complained about it, then they developed a new system saying everything was fixed; look at our new car, kick the tires, its red, and its fast! BS!
Many of us have been aware of Fortunes games all along and haven’t given them the time of day since day one. I have to agree with Greek no matter how sincere they pretend to be; they really could care less.
What’s sad about this issue, is that several other programs have similar problems with tracking, that have never been satisfactorily addressed. Most recently talked about on this forum would be Casino Rewards and Ultimate Bet, but there are several others that have been discussed in the past. What has changed; nothing that I can see? We still get the same old stale explanations that simply don’t add up.
Axl and Greek,
I totally understand your points, and I do agree that Fortune most likely doesn’t care too much about an APCW audit. If they did, it wouldn’t take a month to answer, and the answer would have made more sense.
That said, I still think we’re better off bringing these things to light. Now this issue is not mere speculation, and we webmasters know that we’re not crazy… there is something seriously wrong.
In response to the comment that “…several other programs have similar problems with tracking…” , we couldn’t agree more. That is why the APCW has recently made a policy change that was only announced to our Casino Members yesterday:
Dear Casino Members,
We have always done our very best to keep our members happy. We strive to offer a variety of quality services that are of value in your marketing, research, webmaster relations, and reputation…
Recently, some of you have request that we audit programs which are NOT members of the APCW, but this posed a problem. If we were to spend money auditing affiliate programs that are NOT members, it not only taxes our financial means, but it may also devalue our services. However, after careful consideration, we have come up with a plan to accommodate everyone.
Beginning April 1st, 2006, the APCW will randomly audit any casino affiliate program our webmaster membership wants us to… not just our casino members. At our sole discretion, we will audit and report on different casino affiliate programs as we see fit…
…We hope this action is a step in the right direction and will further enhance your membership at APCW…
AXL posted: I have to agree with Greek no matter how sincere they pretend to be; they really could care less.
Yes, you guys might have a point there but I’m pretty sure FA realize with so many competitors out there today. They can’t create the profit that they use to make without the affiliates help. Even one website that redirect to a better Casino that have Integrity will hurt FA’s revenue. One depositing player should be very important to them. If they keep this up, in few years, they will not be around. Words go around quickly when you run a online business. The only way to succeed and become top Casino/Poker is to do what they promised to do or don’t have an affiliate program at all. This will not hurt them because there will be no broken promise but will hurt them from lack of traffic. So, my point is. I’m sure they don’t want to be considered to be rouged. :hattip:I mentioned the ‘obviousness’ (yes, not a word) of the response from FA when they first came out with it. It was very apparent back then that they were not going to put any efforts into correcting their issues. As a result, they have no listings on my sites.
After this furthur evaluation, they will never have any play on my sites. C’mon programs! If you want a program to emulate? If you want see how a few do it right? Check out Brightshare.. Check out 32Red.. They keep players, they keep affiliates, they don’t play games, and as a result…. they are gaining tons of players…. I’m S.U.R.E. of it!
Good luck going the bankrupt route FA. You will have deserved (and worked very hard for) it.
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@axl]What’s sad about this issue, is that several other programs have similar problems with tracking, that have never been satisfactorily addressed. Most recently talked about on this forum would be Casino Rewards and Ultimate Bet, but there are several others that have been discussed in the past. What has changed nothing that I can see? We still get the same old stale explanations that simply don’t add up.[/QUOTE wrote:
RE: Casino Rewards / Rewards Affiliates
For the record, we never gave any stale explanation. We did have an inflated downloads issue. We were open with affiliates as we worked on it. There were never any missing players, simply additional downloads. We theorized that search engine bots were likely the cause. Ultimately, it turned out that was the case. The download counter was counting downloads when it started sending the webinstaller … instead of after the webinstaller prompted the user for their email. So as the bots crawled your sites, and ultimately through to our sites, via your affiliate links, they would cause the download counter to increment when they followed the download link. That has since been identified & fixed (weeks ago) as I posted in our forum.
Furthermore, we have recently launched a new stats system which some senior affiliates on this forum have said are the most transparent stats available and offer great detail about players and other aspects of your business.
I feel confident when I say I think these points should alleviate any affiliate concerns about our program regarding this issue.
Well, I have to give it up to Ryan. At least he came and post to defense his Casinos but FA. What’s going on here really? Did all the affiliate managers just disappeared? Issues like this is very important. Past history always count in my book on recommending a good Casino. If nothing happens within March. I have no choice to take all FA banners down.This issue needs to be dealt with.The point is honest webmasters just aren’t as important anymore. We are talking about billion dollar companies here. I am sure they have figured out ways of trying to eliminate the affilate.
But we do have some power left, some of us know how to outrank there sites. We can start aggressive smear campaigns,and a host of other things. The good news however is I believe the player will always be on our side.
The APCW did a excellent audit report, yeah so what is the feeling I get. FA don’t care because they can afford not too. I have been promoting FA for almost a year now and made about $15.00 . I don’t bother questioning it, whatever, the day will come.
As programs begin to join forces the problems will only increase for us webmasters. Start to take action buy shutting down spammy FA sites on the net. Report each and everyone, I spend three hours a day on this. I have received many emails from Google and Yahoo thanking me for my aggressive approach. Trust me the SE’s without doubt hate dirty practices. I am going on holidays this summer to Greece, I figured maybe a good idea to surf for some deals. Well I ran into Golden Palace Casino the search phrase was hot spots in Greece. I filled out the spam report and the site is now gone.
Spent a hour a day and check it out for yourself. Less money earned by the affiliate more money earned for the program that being FA. Start taking action against, scraped sites, doorway pages, cloaked sites ect… This is the internet FA is not untouchable nor is 888.com. I have always suggested really get to know the internet from start to where it is today.
If I had it my way, I would like to see a super affliate site comprising of well over 1000 webmasters. But this I must admitt is not practical.
But there are still a few honest programs left which is good. greek39
Billion Dollar Company or not. 75% to 90% from major search engines are mostly webmasters. Most players belong to someone. Yes, true that the Casinos can pay for top traffic, but those webmaster who started since the 90’s have top listings and if your players visit your site due to good offers and recommendation. Trust me, affiliates have greater power then a single company. Like I said, words go around very fast. 2 or 3 month of this, FA will no longer be recommended anywhere. Look what happen to all those rouged Casinos that had to close due to bad reputation. Once, twice, maybe they can get away with but situation as this, that does not make sense at all. It will be very hard to fix but they should get on it for their sake. :popcorn:Scandle5 wrote:…At least he came and post to defense his Casinos but FA… Did all the affiliate managers just disappeared?To be completely fair, it’s 2 or 3 in the afternoon in Australia and 6 in the morning in South Africa. I send David an email telling him I posted here, but he most likely has not yet made it to the office.
Fortune gave a really lame reply that was nothing but a BS story. They don’t care about the affiliates and that is the bottom line. I say everyone take off Fortune from the front pages just like we all did with Referback, we all seen that Referback after 2 weeks of webmasters yanking banners decided “Hey they are starting to hurt us we better fix this ASAP!”
As far as Ryan at CR, I don’t think it is fair to even involve him on this because from day one he has addressed any of our issues and has always told us up front if there was any technical problems etc. Even when he first took over he helped us all get our players mapped over from Cooks, and we make better earnings now then we ever did at Cooks!
Fortune you suck! Integrity you did an awesome job here on this audit and I personally look forward to the next audit you all conduct.:wavey:
