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I have a player that deposits between $10k – $14k consistently. How would I have fared on CPA…
Month 1: $11k
Earnings Rev Share: $3,300
Earnings CPA: $200
Crap!!
Month 2: $14k
Earnings Rev Share: $4200
Earnings CPA: $0
Crap! Crap! Crap!
I just lost my ass. And that is with just 1 player. I would have needed to bring in 38 players who DEPOSIT enough to bring in my CPA in order for me to make up for this ONE player.
Seems kinda stupid to do rev-share, doesn’t it
The majority of income comes not from the many small players I get, but from the few big ones.
If I was on CPA I would probably have quit years ago. All it takes is a few good players a month and I’m sitting pretty.
I see what you guys mean
what about newbie players? Those who never played in online casinos? They are best used Rev Share?
and also
If I am teaching my members of my portal strategies to win the casino… You know those that go around the net in ebooks.. what if they win a lot?
Thanks
Well, if your referrals win all the time, then you won’t make any money. :turn:
Well, if your referrals win all the time, then you won’t make any money
In Poker you WANT them to win, don’t confuse that statement with poker players.
In Poker you WANT them to win, don’t confuse that statement with poker players.
Good point — very true. :xmas:
The problem with ‘how to win’ ebooks (If they actually do what they say which is near impossible).. Is that if the player wins:
Rev Share: You get $0
CPA: The casino kicks your butt out of the program for not being profitable. You get $0
NOW – If you have Rev Share and a couple of the players deposit and lose – say a total of $200.
Rev Share: You would get approx $50 (depending upon rev share percentage)
CPA: Your butt would still be kicked out and not paid because you are likely still not profitable.
Sounds ominous, but read up.. I believe this is a very likely scenario.
kwblue wrote:The problem with ‘how to win’ ebooks (If they actually do what they say which is near impossible).. Is that if the player wins:Rev Share: You get $0
CPA: The casino kicks your butt out of the program for not being profitable. You get $0
NOW – If you have Rev Share and a couple of the players deposit and lose – say a total of $200.
Rev Share: You would get approx $50 (depending upon rev share percentage)
CPA: Your butt would still be kicked out and not paid because you are likely still not profitable.
Sounds ominous, but read up.. I believe this is a very likely scenario.
Yep, and not only that, aff programs just won’t warm up to you, they will always watch you with suspicion.
They are here to make money for the casino, and so are we. If you cause the casino losses, you will not be welcome.
Going on CPA promoting casinos through “winner schemes” means that your stay in the industry will likely be short and not particularly profitable.
CPA is not our big moneymaker but we do have casinos and poker rooms on CPA.
Here are my thoughts on the CPA on poker rooms.
In most cases it is not a profitible way make money in the long run – but there is some good things about it.
In case the poker room or casino cheat either their affiliates or players You can instantly remove them from the site without loosing money. If you have a strong network of players you do not want to remove (but have to) the poker room or casino, since the existing network will decrease and players will stop playing at that specific site with the result of you loosing a lot of money.
Second.
In these days where rakeback is overfloating the market on the “skin poker rooms” the major affiliates bring in a lot of players and everytime a player becomes very valueble they disappear and sign up under a rakeback site. Conclusion: bring in players, they are offered rakeback in the chat and leave. Result we make 0$ from that day on. We only get to keep the players who really isn’t worth much in $. If the networks did something to stop that trend it would be nice. The only site who has done anything to fight it is Party poker (Respect!!!) The worst cases are with Prima and Crypto.If we were paid $200 for each player we do not care wheather the poker room keep the players, at least it will be a strugge for the poker room to keep their good players not us! – which is the situation today. We bring in the players but also have to make sure we keep them. This is not the case with casinos where the players are not offered “loss back” by other affiliates.
Ipoker (playtech), Cryptologic, Prima Poker (Microgaming) have so many skins out there some even promote rakeback on the frontpage, how are we to keep the valueble players? Especially the last two networks are killing themselves fighting to give rakeback to the players.
In case you don’t think that a poker room have the skills or the software to keep the players happy – get a CPA deal. In that case you dont bring a lot of players just to make 10$ rake on each of them.
Party Poker,
Poker.com,
Paradise Poker,
Pokerstars,They do not have skins so we don’t have to worry that the players will switch to other skins for one or another reason. I think that we will se a trend in the future that the big affilaites who spend lots of money on advertisement and employees monthly wages etc. will be promoting sites that do not have a millions of skins and the smaller new sites will promote the skin sites with rakeback deals. Why?
To make it simple. If I have a list of 2 poker rooms. Poker room A offer 25% rakeback, poker room B offer a bonus but 0% rakeback. All the players who plays on a regular basis will chose Poker room A. Poker room B wont make anymore money – so they might aswell be removed from our site or offer rakeback as well.
I am sorry if my post is confusing to read – I haven’t organized it well…:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Merry christmas
Your take on poker is very interesting.
I would like to hear Ellen respond to each point.
Re this:
In case the poker room or casino cheat either their affiliates or players You can instantly remove them from the site without loosing money. If you have a strong network of players you do not want to remove (but have to) the poker room or casino, since the existing network will decrease and players will stop playing at that specific site with the result of you loosing a lot of money
I don’t put all my eggs in one basket. I am rev share and I can remove any program at any time and not suffer. If the above scares you, you have let yourself become too dependent on any one program. That is not healthy no matter what method of payment you choose.
I don’t see how removing the program from further promotion decreases the player base any more that it would if I kept the program. It is just that now I am sending new players elsewhere, where I am treated better.
I pretty much agreee with the poker opinions although I am still doing more research and will not settle my choice of programs until some time early next year.
(Microgaming) have so many skins out there some even promote rakeback on the frontpage
If you look closely, some, like crazy poker, offer the rakeback themselves. There is no reason for players to switch affs if they can have rakeback anytime anyway, because the room itself offers it.
My two cents on CPA:
CPA ” alone * ” is a hit and run commission scheme, its good for spammers and thiefs who need to get in, get the money, and be prepared to run! They arent worried about nor planning for any sort of longevity. As most of us know 888 offers one of the best CPA deals consequently its abused by spammers and scrappers. 888 is almost always associated with these scumbags, guilty by association: your damn right.
* I know numerous affiliates who are on custom plans which will include CPA, with revshare, and maybe a monthly fee etc. I dont know many veterans using CPA alone thats for a reason, just look at kwblues sample!
axl wrote:* I know numerous affiliates who are on custom plans which will include CPA, with revshare, and maybe a monthly fee etc. I dont know many veterans using CPA alone thats for a reason, just look at kwblues sample!Now that you mention it, I did a bunch of CPA plus rev share when I first got into Bingo, as it is a slowly developing field and it takes time to build up that player base. I used the CPA to fund my promoting the bingo while the % was building up.
On that level, I do understand that newbies like CPA because it does provide faster pay to fund more promotions. But – you are still losing money if you even have just one decent player.
If you got to have some cash fast, use a CPA/revshare mix. Some programs offer it and others may be willing to negotiate it.
CPA is out of question for me….
What about hybrid deals
$45 CPA + 30% REV SHARE ?
Thanks
I would love a hybrid commission style. But no one really offers it.
Referback, Fortune and many Bingo programs offer it.
Where it is not offered, you can always ask.
