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Hey all,
Unfortunately, bad news comes every once in awhile with terms changes and this one is definitely bad news (times 2).
C-Planet has added a term in their T&C’s which will reduce your commissions to a percentage lower than the agreed-upon rate if you stop promoting their properties. This CAN lead them to strong-arming you once you work VERY hard and gain a lot of players and a lot of commissions. If you don’t have a lot of commissions there, I would suggest you stop promoting them before you give them more power over YOUR website
CPlanet Adds Commission Reduction Term
C-Planet has also increased their Minimum Payment amount from $50 to $200.
CPlanet Increases Minimum Payment
As a result of these changes (the first change, really) we have marked their program as a Predatory Affiliate Program.
Well, I haven’t started listing them yet, and now I won’t.
This clause takes away any recourse we have should the program go afoul of proper behavior towards affiliates.
When that happens, I usually pull the program until it mends the problem and when all is well again, I put them back. (see Grand Prive)
With this clause in place, the program practically keeps the players we already sent “hostage” and just reduces our income as response to any action we can take to protect ourselves.
This is very ill conceived. Had Grand Prive done this, they would never have come back on my site and both parties would have suffered a permanent loss.
This is in addition to what KW said above – with this kind of clause the program can strong arm you into more exposure, reinstating them and all sorts of things.
I agree, run before it hurts too much to do so.
Wow — thanks for the heads up.
I have just now taken Rushmore off of my sites. 20% — are you ****** kidding me? :roflmao:
It shouldn’t matter how many players I send. What matters is the amount they deposit. If I send just one whale somewhere, I deserve to receive the full commission rate on every dollar that player deposits, for as long as the player continues to play. Changing my rate from 35% to 20% is a completely ridiculous concept. You wouldn’t even have that player if it wasn’t for me. If you’re just going to change the commission rate to some insulting rate at some point, f*ck it — I’ll send all players to Club World where I know I won’t get dicked around.
Hopefully Rushmore will change the T&Cs back to something less predatory so I can promote them again. I don’t work with programs that blackmail their affiliates.
I’ve just started to promote this group. Time to remove them.
Quote:Hopefully Rushmore will change the T&Cs back to something less predatory so I can promote them again. I don’t work with programs that blackmail their affiliates.They had their blackmail experience with the DDOS attack by the Russians and now they want to pull us a leg. Shame on you C-planet/Rushmore.sneaky2.gi
I do not rush to promote you guys any time soon.
You are not building on trust with this.
Rick
I should add a word of thanks to kwblue for another important find. Your efforts are hugely appreciated and I probably don’t mention that enough.
I don’t see this as a huge problem. Obviously I am not crazy about the term, my feeling has always been like Engineers, you wouldn’t have the player had it not been for me. But if it means keeping them up on a few spots to keep collecting commissions even if your not keen on giving them a big push, I don’t think its the end of the world. They do convert like a champ and they pay both players and affiliates which is the most important thing.
At least they aren’t pulling a minimum player requirement which some programs do, I just couldn’t tell you who off the top of my head because I don’t work with those bumbs, but I have certainly seen quite a few threads on it. I know some programs won’t pay you commissions rightfully due if you don’t send them at least 1 a month, thats having you by the balls. Here they just want you to show some kind of effort to keep collecting commissions.
It is a little disconcerning if they think affiliates are just going to accept them changing the terms like this when we signed up for something different. I would love to see Gabriel chime in here and tell us this will not apply to existing affiliates, but rather new ones. But all in all it’s just not a deal breaker for me. If they popped a minimum player requirement on us, then I would have a big problem with it. This term I can live with, even if I decided to drop them for the most part, I just put them on a few low traffic pages and be done with it.
Just to be clear, I don’t think programs should ever change the terms on affiliates, its just this one is not that big of a deal to me considering how easy it is to slap a link for them on a couple bs pages and problem solved. I know I am probably the minority here, but they have more good things going for them than bad, and I feel like it would be a mistake to drop them because of this. They are a pretty good program for me and their conversions are the best I have seen yet in this biz. And they pay me and players.
And thanks KW, you are such a great asset to affiliates and we appreciate you keeping us informed when programs make a move on us.
Thanks for the input. I’ll place a post in their forum to notify them of this (if they aren’t already aware).
I think, though, Bonusgeek… you might feel differently if they all of the sudden converted poorly, you were making $10k / month with them at a rate of 45%, and their casino become rogue.
Then you would be making $2000/month instead of $4500/ month because nobody wants to promote a rogue, non-converting casino.
That is just 1 single scenario… there are many others. Strong-arming affiliates in this manner is just poor taste, IMO.
**Edit** Either they are not CAP certified or I can’t find their forum.
KWBLUE is the BEST :thumbsup:
Thanks for providing us with information about changed program :terms: you certainly have a good :cappy:for this!Thanks again
Rick
@kwblue 159084 wrote:
Thanks for the input. I’ll place a post in their forum to notify them of this (if they aren’t already aware).
I think, though, Bonusgeek… you might feel differently if they all of the sudden converted poorly, you were making $10k / month with them at a rate of 45%, and their casino become rogue.
Then you would be making $2000/month instead of $4500/ month because nobody wants to promote a rogue, non-converting casino.
That is just 1 single scenario… there are many others. Strong-arming affiliates in this manner is just poor taste, IMO.
**Edit** Either they are not CAP certified or I can’t find their forum.
I hear ya Kdub. Although if they were to become rogue, I would consider any payment from a casino that doesn’t pay players a gift. I would drop them completely and be happy with my 20%.
But I agree, I don’t think this move is in their best interest nor is changing terms ever a smart move. I always feel like they are walking over hundred dollar bills to pick up pennies since it is already clear most affiliates will not accept this and they will probably lose more business when affiliates drop them rather than this move saving them money. It’s just for me personally this particular change is not going to be a deal breaker. Minimum player requirements or something else and I definitely have a problem.
Some places become rogue for players, some become rogue for affiliates, some become rogue for both.
To me, if I enter a contract it’s a contract. It must not be broken. Where would we be if programs rewrote contracts at will all the time.
We have fought long and hard to get programs to understand that.
A handshake is a handshake and a contract is a contract.
Anything else is rogue.
It doesn’t really matter so much whether the change itself bothers you or not, it matters that they are braking a contract and to me that’s a breach of trust.
I wouldn’t promote a program I can’t trust.
I have no personal beef with the program, I haven’t promoted them and was just going to add them. Now I won’t.
Real shame this didn’t happen while I was in Amsterdam, I would have for sure been right there to confront them on this!! I will not promote them anyway since they cannot seem to get their act together with the stats and paying affiliates money due.
yup
they not keeping deals!I am writing to clarify this issue. We at Rushmore are in no way trying to “strong-arm” any affiliates or hold them ransom. The change in the T&C was implemented in response to a number of high revenue share deals of 40% and above we had made with certain affiliates for top positions on their sites, we wanted to make it clear that should an affiliate then remove us from the site or change our position from the agreed spots, their commission structure will return to our base plan which is 25% for 0 – 10 players, 20% was indeed a mistake.
The change to the clause was worded incorrectly and has obviously led to a lot of confusion and we apologise for any distress this may have caused. Although it might not be obvious to all, we truly believe we are on the same side and are in this for the long run. A successful and happy affiliate makes Rushmore a successful and happy casino.
I want to assure everyone here that no affiliate has been effected by this change, no ones revenue has been altered and there are no plans to do so.
Please feel free to contact me regarding this or any other matter.
At your service
Ben Spiro
Rushmore
@Ben Rushmore 159186 wrote:
I am writing to clarify this issue. We at Rushmore are in no way trying to “strong-arm” any affiliates or hold them ransom. The change in the T&C was implemented in response to a number of high revenue share deals of 40% and above we had made with certain affiliates for top positions on their sites, we wanted to make it clear that should an affiliate then remove us from the site or change our position from the agreed spots, their commission structure will return to our base plan which is 25% for 0 – 10 players, 20% was indeed a mistake.
The change to the clause was worded incorrectly and has obviously led to a lot of confusion and we apologise for any distress this may have caused. Although it might not be obvious to all, we truly believe we are on the same side and are in this for the long run. A successful and happy affiliate makes Rushmore a successful and happy casino.
I want to assure everyone here that no affiliate has been effected by this change, no ones revenue has been altered and there are no plans to do so.
Please feel free to contact me regarding this or any other matter.
At your service
Ben Spiro
Rushmore
Hey Ben – Can you get this worded correctly? Also, assuming what you said is correct, can you word this to mean ‘partnership deals’? It sounds like this is a term geared towards affiliates who make deals with C-Planet for a higher revshare based upon site placement… it would be nice if the term really said that.
Leaving it ‘as-is’ won’t cut it… The term needs to be clarified in the terms, not just on message boards.
Thank You.
