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Hi Pacificsun1,
You keep making claims but you never answer the questions and that makes this whole thread and your issue a huge run around for everyone.
First the facts:
if ~ 234 of your visitors clicked on the ‘Click here to Download’ button for All Jackpots on your website, this does not equate to 234 downloads. Players need to ‘Run’ or ‘Save’ the file in order to activate a download.
You are simply not accepting this. You have used a marketing strategy that gives your visitors very inaccurate and misleading info (most of this info has since been removed from your website for obvious reasons) but this is what I found:
Also, I checked the content on your website. Please explain this strategy and the wrong use of our client casino’s logo: http://www.gamblenow.com/i/head2.gif
Under your support link, please explain who is ‘PlayUnited management group’:
‘To ensure that each and every one of our players has the most positive experience when playing at our Casino, we have contracted the services of PlayUnited management group. PlayUnited’s highly skilled team of service representatives respond quickly and efficiently to provide you with the best customer care in the industry.’
I understand that you have created a brand ‘USA Jackpot Casino’ that uses All Jackpots software…
Under Fair gaming you state… ‘The USA Jackpot Casino software platform and systems have also been tested and approved after by RTG (Real Time Gaming)’ ? Our client, All Jackpots Casino uses Micrograming Viper software.
On your promotions page you have this image:
http://www.gamblenow.com/as_bigpromo_signup06.gif
which is wrong. The correct sign up offer for All Jackpots is: buy $25, get $75 or buy $50, get $200 – http://www.alljackpots.com/themes/al…il_offer01.gifOn your download page you have: ‘DOWNLOAD USA Jackpot
All Jackpots Casino’ and a link to the All Jackpots Casino download…Secondly, you accuse me of dishonesty but refuse to show the evidence:
He (Brightshare) is already making excuses of software glitches…but he’s not telling the whole CAP community…just me. Check your stats….buzz him on it…he’ll admit. He has an obligation to report statistics correctly
And then you go and write me this:
Sir,
You have ignored me. You have posted false statistics. You have insulted me. I do not appreciate your patronizing disconnected attitude. When my payment of $1,200 is made to my Neteller account you will receive my Thank You and a positive unconditional acceptance that this incident was an unavoidable computer error. It will be posted prominently in several CAP forum threads. All player revenue generated from the past and the future from my efforts will be yours. I will accept nothing less. All logos considered to be an infringement will be removed from my website within 24 hours of this time today.
Thank You for your prompt response.I asked you seriously, are we not just wasting everyone’s time on this?
Please let’s move on and get back to business.
Best regards,
LloydHi again,
Marcia just reminded me about the advantages to bundling, yeah there are advantages: :lookaroun
1. The collective casino revenues can push you into a higher commission bracket.
2. If you have a big winner we don’t carry the loss forward and very often the player will play back their winnings in later months.But yeah, it’s a free world.. at least some parts of it.
Best regards,
LloydQuick question on the bundling Lloyd. If you have more than one site as most of us do. Can we set up seperate accounts with Brightshare per portal. Meaning on my .co.uk I could then promote Wild Jacks for instance and revenue earnt there, would not be affected by any big winners on All Slots which I promote on my .com site.
Lloyd wrote:Hi again,Marcia just reminded me about the advantages to bundling, yeah there are advantages: :lookaroun
1. The collective casino revenues can push you into a higher commission bracket.
2. If you have a big winner we don’t carry the loss forward and very often the player will play back their winnings in later months.Let’s be honest…. #1 is just funny. I understand what Marcia is saying here, but it’s just not accurate. If I decided to ‘push’ All Jackpots casino on my site(s) instead of All Slots, Wild Jack, AND All Jackpots…. Then my players would ALL be playing at All Jackpots. I would STILL be in the higher commision bracket, would I not??
#2. Works the same whether you promote all properties or just 1.
So – What’s the benefit for us to push more than 1 property?? The only benefit that I see is the fact that we have several QUALITY properties to promote. That’s it. Nothing more.
What’s the drawback?? Basically this… Since they are bundled, a big winner can detract from other properties earnings. If I were to send this player to, say Spin Palace instead of All Slots, then I wouldn’t make anything over there… But I would still have my earnings at BS!
Food for thought..
I must agree with kwblue. As for Lloyd he has restored my trust I would appreciate a PM to get the ball rolling. Taking a banner from from Brightshare and manipulating it I consider dirty. greek39
Hi!
Webzcas, yes, technically we can do this but please let me look into this and I’ll get back to you.
Greek39, thank you. I’ll PM you
Kwblue, I agree with your comment on the benefit of bundling:
The only benefit that I see is the fact that we have several QUALITY properties to promote. That’s it. Nothing more.
Best regards,
LloydI have promoted more than one of the casinos – agreed they are quality. I made not a red cent last month because of bundling. That cost me a lot as I have so many of these casinos on site. If I had only one, maybe it would not have had the winner, and if it did, I would still be making money on the other positions on my site.
Sorry, I like Lloyd and think he runs a clean ship, but bundling is definitely a negative. It multiplies your loss by as many casinos as you carry.
Hi Dominique,
How would the commissions work then if we didn’t bundle? The way I see it, commissions would be calculated separately for each casino. So, in many cases this may reduce affiliate commission percentages and earnings…
The question is: How many huge winners do you get who wipe out your aggregated earnings in any one month, as opposed to the advantage of a higher commission rate as a result of the aggregated net earnings from all four casino clients.
Best regards,
LloydHow would the commissions work then if we didn’t bundle? The way I see it, commissions would be calculated separately for each casino. So, in many cases this may reduce affiliate commission percentages and earnings…
Actually Lloyd, if you took a poll, most of us would prefer the bundling removed and each casino treated seperately
Although we would all make more money without bundling I can see where it is a necessaty for the Aff programs and we should just live with it. If a program does not carry forward negatives it needs some sort of protection.
Remember if they only had one property then the results would still be the same, that winners winnings would be deducted from your commisions. With multiple properties we the affs have more and varied content to offer our players and more tools to get more players and earn more rev in the end.
The affiliate programs also need to make money or we have nothing to promote. Give them a little slack, and lets all just try to get along (I use to live in LA).
Brian
Lol!
I get along just fine with Lloyd, although he may be plotting some terrible thing for me in Amsterdam by now. (Just kidding) Lloyd is one of the good guys.
There are several MG programs out there who have lots of properties and do not bundle.
They do not reduce your income. They just calculate earnings for each casino seperately, and when you have a winner in one, it wipes out exactly the income in that one and no others. That makes it so that you can count on having an income month after month.
Casinos are a lot more able to absorb the income fluctuations caused by winners. Affiliates make no money at all from the program for a month, while all the other casinos they promote from that program continue to make a profit day after day. It is not really fair at all, only one casino had the winner. Why deny the affiliate the income generated from the other properties?
The only thing that makes sense here for the affiliate is to choose only one casino from the group to promote. That way one can control the losses a lot better, and while not making any money on the bundling casino with the winner, at least all the other positions on ones website are not affected and there will be a paycheck at the end of the month.
That said, I like Brightshare and they are still full force on my site. But when culling time comes around again (twice a year) I will have to look at the performance of each of these casinos and if there are months without income, I will just have to pick the one with the best results and drop the rest as too risky to carry.
Back on topic a little bit…
Still no answer on if Pacificsun1’s issue. I understand that he wrote a couple of stupid emails which were , IMO, wrong. I also understand that he bastardized a logo, which is wrong.
However, it DOES sound like he has information about his users clicking on his links and downloading the software. He also makes a good case about how his users spent a lot of time ‘learning’ a process. To me, I would expect if I had done the same thing (minus the logo issue), that I would be complaining as well.
Is this being talked about anywhere? Like in PM’s or something? Can we get this issue taken care of? Or at least looked into so that we all don’t end up with problems like this?
Thanks!
I am still confused by the RTG references and the Play United. Was the site originally set up for a Play United white label and then changed to the new logo with a micro, but without mopping up the Play United remarks or the RTG remarks? Could some of these players be at Play United instead?
That is what I wonder.
I don’t like the bundle either but I can live with it.
To me it seems as of this was a “homemade casino” combined with RTG and MG, with the facts that Lloyd posted I am sorry to say this all seems a bit shady to me and not on Brightshares part.
With all the shady things Lloyd found how can anyone even think this is a legit case?
