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axl wrote:The manner in which you just posted makes it sound as if you are going to uncover a beautiful fragrant rose under the pile of crap and that since its so pretty all the crap won’t matter.
Was this pile of crap not accumulating long before these long lost email conversations were sent? Were webmasters not already on this case long before that point in time trying to get them to do the right thing?
Sorry, somehing is giving me a very itchy feeling.
I doubt there are any roses to be found, but perhaps a shovel to move some of the dirt out of the way.
Be nice to do a little cleaning up.
What a mess it is!! Oh yeah on the lighter side my favorite movie “The Matrix” the third episode, “welcome back Mr. Anderson, so do you like what we have done to the place”.
Frankly I don’t know were to begin, being threatened by legal action I find most absurd at this point. I won’t antagonize 888 but come on really? Maybe we can clean up this mess before it gets worse. Save the industry!!
It seems quite apparent many people are quite frankly speaking their minds as they see it and have every right to do so. There are hundreds perhaps thousands such people, not all just CAP members. 888 was warned far in advance of this possible outcome, but failed to react.
This whole cat and mouse game has been going far too long, causing damage on both sides of the fence. I believe you are working on the problem and is appreciated.
I would start with the “one” then follow through. Consider also the super affiliate organizations that also handle your properties.
greek39^*
Greek, many of your posts, when it gets to the last sentence, I have no idea what you are talking about.
Dominique wrote:Greek, many of your posts, when it gets to the last sentence, I have no idea what you are talking about.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Try not reading what is there, but isn’t.
Well I am not really going to elaborate, but I am confident 888 knows what I am talking about. We are being threatened with some legal action, I will need this information in case it turns that way. greek39
Well here I go sticking my head out again. But what is this?
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online-gambling-resource.go4net-6.info – 26k – Cached – More from this site – SaveWhat about this one. Isn’t that description tag a little misleading “make loads of cash” this is spamindexing. Does the title tag really give a relevant result?
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http://www.texas-holdem-school.info/ echols-county-texas-poker.html – 13k – Supplemental Result – Cached – Similar pagesI am being very modest over my posting. Just to let the lurkers know. I won’t be posting anymore search results. greek39
I have just received word from 888 regarding this: xhttp://seoblackhat.com/2006/06/05/seo-poker-tournament/x
It was the very first point I brought up in a mail exchange, and 888 says they will make sure to do no business with them from now on.
It’s a start.
They also invite everyone to submit emails with scraper sites to them.
There are no further communications planned until Monday morning.
Well that makes me very happy indeed!! Its a step in the right direction. greek39
This is Deja Vu all over again….
We apologize when you catch us… Wont happen again… Send us emails and data…
Dom while I applaud your pluck I want to make it clear your discussions with 888 are not on behalf of CAP they are for your own personal enlightenment. If Nicolas wants to discuss things with CAP he knows where I am and he’s been invited to register here at CAP and post as a guest.
I do agree Professor and would be delighted to see Nicholas here as well. He was the one who served CAP the letter. It would be more productive to have an open discussion on the matter for all CAP memebers. greek39
That’s exactly my point Greek. I don’t want 888 to have the impression that chatting in private with a member excused them from addressing the issue here.
These scrapers and black hatters are effecting ALL of us. I dont want them tickling the ears of one person in private and getting congratulated for moving in the right direction when there is no evidence of that.
You can’t get off the hook that easily Nicolas. We didnt all fall off a turnip truck. :dozing:
I agree this is a public forum for all CAP members. Private convesations I believe does a disservice to all CAPSTERS. Nicholas come on board, many of us would love to hear your side of the story for the public record.
greek39
I have been in business for a very long time, and I may have some oldfashioned principles.
One of the very basic ones is that one needs to be able to count on people doing what they say they will do. A handshake needs to be a handshake, a promise a promise and a contract a contract.
I have an appointment on Monday and I am keeping it. Obviosly this thread is being read (maybe not on the weekend) and Nic knows people want him to show up here. So it wll be a topic on Monday.
The only thing I am interested in, is to clean up google and the other engines. For several reasons:
Theft is theft and our websites are the result of hard work. No one should be allowed to steal from us. For a company that wants to “partner” with us to pay others to steal from us is unethical and hurts us.
To google, we have become a ripe pimple on it’s nose. If I was google, I’d pop it and be done with it. The gambling industry is a pain in the axx to the engines. That is very, very bad for us. Last not least, this industry already has problems with its reputation. We certainly don’t need to aggravate this with sleezy promotional methods.
888 is not the only program doing this, they were just the most blatant. A lot of this crap has now disappeared. A lot is still there.
All the programs doing this (and they are big as life on our radar screen) need to pay attention to their statistics, namely the referring URLs. When they see an affiliate having hundreds of them, take a look and see if they are legit or if they are scrapers.
Asking affiliates to turn these in and removing them one at a time is plain silly and a fruitless exercise. There are hundreds of thousands out there. Getting one deleted is totally ridiculous. The programs are in a perfect position to locate all of the ones that are paid by them and eliminate the pay. Once the pay stops, the nuisance will stop too.
The reason I put up the 888 blacklist page is not because I have a beef with 888. To me, 888 is just a set of numbers, not an emotionally charged name. It is because I want to clean up the searches, I strongly believe our industry depends on it. Our survival as well as our reputation are threatened by this criminal conduct. 888 is not alone in this, and after we get some visible, proactive cleanup initiated by 888 we will look to the others to follow suit.
Obviously 888 is hesitant to post here because no one wants to walk into a flame. I am risking being flamed here too. I don’t like it one bit.
But since we are a professional board and not a free for all, I think we can all agree to have a civilized, polite exchange with 888 here in order to facilitate the proper cleanup of this mess.
If I didn’t believe that we can get this cleaned up in a businesslike manner, I would pull the 888 page and go on my merry way. I am donating a good amount of my time and energy to getting this resolved. I have better things to do.
So, hopefully we will see 888 here next week and cooler heads prevail.
And no, I don’t represent CAP. I don’t have any ties with CAP other than that I volunteer as a moderator, I have been posting here pretty much since its inception. Years. Beause of that I am often associated with CAP, but really, I am only a guest here and I am always acting completely on my own accord.
That said, I think one of the bigger mistakes 888 made is to cease communications with CAP. There are other programs who have been in hot water over the years, Fortune and Referback come to mind, and they have faced the music, cleaned up their act and are now respected members of this community.
888 can do this too. But not by hiding out and being unresponsive.
