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Curious as can be.
When will you talk about it?
Yorktown:
Will you also be in Miami for CAP? and if so, will you be discussing this?
Also, is this something that is going to eliminate small affiliates, you know, like secrecy type of thing, or will the knowledge be widespread?
Thank You,
dalster44
Ditto on what Dalster said, and will you be doing some sort of write up on this topic by chance for those of us who were not in Amsterdam?
Intriguing.
What about the potential for European Satallite ISP providers to provide access to the US market Marc?
Cheers
Simmo!
I am not sure I fully understand what you are talking about, but it sounds like you are interested in discussing how affiliates can supercede ISPs and possibly the government should they decide to filter gambling related sites.
If we know one thing it’s that you don’t mess with big brother; they can and will do with you as they please. Assuming legislation was to pass I would hope American based affiliates, if they decided to remain in the business would revamp their operations and wouldn’t be looking to advertise to American players.
As an affiliate living in the states, discussing ways to outsmart them and to potentially break future laws doesn’t seem too intelligent to me and definitely not sound business judgment.
Simmo! wrote:Intriguing.What about the potential for European Satallite ISP providers to provide access to the US market Marc?
Cheers
Simmo!
Bingo! this is one way. greek39
As for Europe, my belief is that there is a potential for US based ISP to block their US subscribers only. It is unlikely this would take place from satelllite ISP’s abroad.
With regard to the event, I’m speaking in Amsterdam. I really wanted to go to CAP but unfortunatley I will be in Beijing at the same time.
As for small affiliates, you would probably still have your market. But you need to grow in order to have more negotiating power. More so than today, that will be the most important aspect for affiliates in a post-ISP filtered universe: Negotiating Power.
Lastly, imagine the way hackers work….or the way Shareaza or Gnutella or eDonkey works. It will be similar, but not that difficult for the gambler. The bottom line is that it is extremely unlikely to be stopped. If you block an online gaming site, they will most likely go the route that the hackers described to me. However, they will be using affiliates. Strong affiliates will have much negotiating power.
Marc Lesnick
Conference Organizer
Casino Affiliate Convention
http://www.cac2006.com
April 9-10, 2006
NH Grand Krasnapolsky Hotelyorktown wrote:Strong affiliates will have much negotiating power.Marc Lesnick
Conference Organizer
Casino Affiliate Convention
http://www.cac2006.com
April 9-10, 2006
NH Grand Krasnapolsky HotelThank the Lord, I can bench press 300 pounds :woohoo:
On a serious note though, I better get working, although maybe being Canadian will help.
I also believe though that the Bill will never happen.
dalster44
I haven’t commented much on this thread, but based on what I know there are more than just one way of getting around an ISP ban. I do not care to mention until there is an actual ban. I lack knowledge with U.S. politics so I stay reserved.
ISP ban? no big deal for small or large affiliates, just a bit of work. greek39
Greek – I agree. But an ISP ban would only help affiliates in a MAJOR way.
As for an ISP ban, it is unlikely, but it is best to be prepared for the worst.
Marc Lesnick
Conference Organizer
Casino Affiliate Convention
http://www.cac2006.com
April 9-10, 2006
NH Grand Krasnapolsky HotelI agree a ISP ban would benefit the affiliate in a major way. It would be the affiliate thats sets up the routing technique. U.S subscribers to the online gambling market would have no alternative, maybe.
I think its a good idea to always be prepared and do your homework. Hacker advice is a very valuable resource. Often most of them are broke and often do not share their secretes that took them countless hours to firgure out. So I am surprised you actually had the opportunity to speak to one. Most have the attitude “go do your own homework” and if you not willing to learn anything “get out of my face”
I have not yet studied this problem 100% but I do know people who have. One fellow is !eric has been around for the last 30 years. He would likely attend the conference, but he charges for this, because he is broke. The information he would provide would be very rich.
Attending the conference for those who would like to know more would be a good idea. greek39
Interesting thread, though these opinions seem to be working from the assumption that if there was an ISP ban in the U.S. that most people would continue to gamble online. Perhaps this is true for the hard-core online gambler, but for those more casual gamblers, I don’t see them switching to satellite for their ISP, or spending the time to work around the issue in whatever way that may be. Bottom line is that there would be way fewer online gamblers if this were to happen, and that means that the smaller and middle sized online gambling operations would probably fold. Hate to be a doomsdayer about this, but I don’t see how an ISP ban could be spun in a positive way for affiliates.
Kind of agree with Axl. If the proposed ban did pass, then affiliates in the US would be playing with fire by trying to help people break the law.
I have to agree with Axl, as well.
I am not one to blatantly help someone break the law. I think it is almost IMPOSSIBLE that the things being discussed in this thread would ever happen. I think it is far more likely that online gambling becomes regulated and possibly big casinos move into our space.
If this happens,I could see it going 2 ways. 1) They use their money and power and shut out the small affiliate or 2) They realize we own the gambling space online and will pay us to “take over our sites and traffic”
First – what’s up with all this ISP blocking – do you have any information that the bill will pass 100%?!? Am I missing something?
Or are you pulling a sales-pitch so we can go to the conference…
Second, you will have to be an IDIOT to try and screw with the government for a lousy few players from the US – if the gambling bill is passed – the market in US will go down 99% – the people would much rather go to Las Vegas than jail!!! sly.gif DUH!
Third – it will be close to impossible for the ISP to block gambling content, but even if they did dont you forget that they will block GAMBLING SOFTWARE download; so even if you outsmart the filter to bring them to your website, you will have to outsmart it to get them to the casino site, and to outsmart it to download the software, and the outsmart it to connect to the casino server…
If the bill is passed and implemented – the US market is dead!
I would much rather slang viagra than casinos, if it carries a cocaine sentence…The Gov can’t tell me what clothes to wear nor can it tell me what I can do in the privacy of my own home. Is this not a constitional right? Common sense
tells me this. Besides the ban won’t happen it was ruled on a long time ago and the precedent has been set from a U.S federal judge. greek39
