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To make it clear we are not putting the incentive cost on affiliates. We are offering 40-50% from gross rake to our affiliates.
If you take 20% rake back and 30% of the net rake to the affiliate( I think this is the best Superior offer- the room that seem to be your favourite room) you will earn 44% of the gross. That is below our average affiliate earn and also small/average players are not stimulated with rake back there or only 10%.
Also the retention for high rakers due to high stakes games is not comparable with their room and the fact the player can check and cash out anytime the rake is also an advantage.
I agree on the fact that the only good way to promote us is rake back but affiliates can easy keep 30% of the net rake that seem to be the market average and in same time offer an attractive incentive to players.It makes for a lose-lose situation – either the room caves in and moves the player from the rightful affiliate’s account under the rake back aff (in effect facilitating theft), or the room loses the player.
What do you think the room will do here?
I don’t think is a good idea to afirm that the rake back rooms are going to steal your players especially in our case where you have live access to player statistics(no personal details offered just account numbers).
Is there any less risk on player theft from a non rake back room?mihai wrote:Is there any less risk on player theft from a non rake back room?Of course, there is no reason, players do not ask to be transferred.
I am going to leave this thread now, I will surely hear from Mihai in private once he has been doing this for a number of months.
It’s another learning curve, Mihai, I hope you will fare better with this than you did with the casino.
And this time you have a second poker room that appears to be doing things the right way.
Perhaps it would be wise to talk about it instead.
I am not saying you are not more experienced in the biz then I am. Though the poker market is somenthing that i know well.
Regarding the casino it was one of the worse decisions I ever made getting involved with that rogue company(if i even mention it Professor will gladly delete the post :banger: ).Since the involvement in the poker biz, the 2 rooms I manage are offering very fast and on time support and payouts for both players and afiliates.
Regarding player theft I can assure you will not happen with us. If the player want to leave he is free to do it. We have very good conversions and retantion so few players leaving becouse we don’t move them will not make any problems.
Are you asuming we and the other rooms are guilty to move the players at our wish? One of the strength of our program for our affiliates is that player MUST use affiliate link to get rake back. Our affiliates never loose players for not using their link as they will not get rake back if they do that.
How many players have you leaving to bonuses from other rooms? Players don’t leave that easy becouse we decline to increase the rake back.
Regarding the 2nd poker room( RoyalCardroom ), yes it is doing well. The entire network is free of rake back so we don’t loose our players to other skins. As a news it is very likely a sportsbook with veery small margins and a casino from a 3rd party(net entertainment) will be added before the end of the year.
BUT i see that most of the affiliates here are still promoting rake back sites and networks. The interest is much higher in the rake back room then in the other one where i think the poker client is much better and rake is a bit lower then market average. Still i put this in the lack of an affiliate area yet.All I am trying to say is that rake back is not rogue or ment for theft….. There are honest room in the biz and we try to cover all aspects that can create problems.
Also this discussion remind me of a funny thing that happened at CAC Amsterdam this year. Party and Empire had a presentation where at the end they were asked about rake back. They make it sound like the worse thing on Earth and that they never alow it. They even gave the PokerNow expemple.
Guess what? Satya at their stand was offering his business card to be contacted for rake back while Empire is still alowing it.In respect to the members and the general CAP trend this is my last post about affiliate driven rake back.
I will continue to post updates about RoyalCardClub releases and offers but I will stay away from any disscussion regarding the benefits or bad points of affiliate driven rake back.Thanks. I am much more interested in news about your other room.
Dominique said in another thread something that made a lot of sense : rakeback encourages all affiliates to overbid each other. It started with what, 20% and now it’s up to 30%+ with gifts and ipods and poker tables and what not. Rakeback also educates people about what they’re worth which, no matter how you look at it, is bad for everyone. I would give rakebacks to my friends.. that’s just normal and I would do it on any site. But when a site tells you all about rakeback, it just encourages you to be an even more savvy customer. Even if our sites all have informational goals (hopefully), we inform about the games and the industry, not about administration and economy. Everyone here wants to make money. Rakeback affiliates only want to hog all of the players. Pokerchamps’ system seems reasonable for everyone.
If not for Pokerchamp’s system, all sites that have revenue sharing should take a hard stand against rakeback deals and, most importantly, warn and shut down the affiliates that contravene it. Yes, they get some players that will spend more on their site. But there are 3 downsides : 1) As was said, they have a lot of complaints. 2) They shut out affiliates that can’t compete due to not wanting to overbid. 3) Their players become more educated and become deal hunters.
Let’s face it.. at a poker table, you want to play against dumb players. Educating them a bit is good so they continue playing. If you educate them too much, they become unprofitable to play against. That’s just my humble opinion.
