Casino Coins Program

Hi Connie this is Brian and I just wanted to let you know that I believe the consensus amoung the webmasters is that the promotion and distribution of CD’s to players that we have sent to CC is not acceptable.

If you could assure us that each webmaster gets credit if a player signs up from the CD then it would be a great program. As I have been involved myself in the creation and distribution of gaming CD’s I find it very unlikely that we do receive credit.

I am one of your oldest and most loyal webmasters of CC and have always been a large proponent of Casino Coins. However if this CD program is going to remain in place then I will drastically reduce my traffic which is being sent to you.

There is a simple solution to this, have a seperate splash page for webmasters it’s not that difficult. As it stands if you plan to continue down this road it signals that affiliate marketing is not that important to Casino Coins.

Those are my thoughts, I hope others will express theirs, CC use to be the top of the top and I would like to see it back up there.

Brian

Issues with coins has been

1) cd’s order form on frontpage with as Yali told me ” No Way would affiliates get credit for this” and ” No way would they give us a seperate landing page”
Now I have been told you are willing to do this now but not same quality of landing page.

2) Conversions are terrible.

3) Chargebacks are higher than any other program I promote.

4) Yali said it is normal to loose 20% of traffic sent by affiliates. Which is not a reasonable amount of lost traffic. I know no program can be 100% all the time, but 20% loss is way to much.

In the past 3 years I have promoted coins I have always felt coins cared about there affiliates until this month. Connie I still feel you do care and it is out of your hands. It is sad to see one of the most respectable programs turn this way.

The CD issue is big with me. The fact that is fairly predominant on the homepage of all your sites and as affiliates we’re not getting credited for it is a definite disappointment.

I think that it would be wise for Casino Coins to either create a separate landing page for affiliates (best solution in my opinion), or figure out a way so that affiliates are getting credited for the CD’s of players they refer to the properties.

2nd point I’d like to discuss is the lack of originality of the banners Casino Coins has. Currently a good number of your banners are a complete rip-off’s of City Club Casinos banners… So having something a bit more unique would be nice.

3rd point is possibly integrating a means for separate tracking… For people such as myself who do allot of PPC advertising … and in some cases sending traffic directly to the casino’s it would be nice feature in order to track our campaigns and measure ROI.

That’s about it for now!

Best,
Aleks

I’m going to post this in the public forums as a call to all aff managers but after reading this thread I wanted to make certain the folks at CC read it.

heres goes:

we affiliates get abused quite often
and its a rather rediculously frustrating situation because the reason the
affiliate program came to its full potential was to avoid ruining things for
a lot of people. It was in the adult market where they quickly figured
out that it was coming to a situation where there would be a 1 million sites all
competing against each other and all paying the many costs associated with
running such a site. Common sense said the majority of the bunch was due
to stagnate in the inability to outgrow the other; meaning nobody was
ever going to really make some serious dough after adding in op costs and
advertising etc.

only the credit card processors, hosts and PPCs would get rich; the real
earners of the money would stay in a state of overpopulated competition
which would make it hard even for the bigger players to reach their profit
potential.

But what if we partnered? worked together to bring in the sheep; instead
of 2 of us fighting over every one sheep to come along. The money
saved in partnering; would help us all come out with more. Those willing to
take on the headaches of dealing with customers on a one on one basis; as well as do the rather greatly increased amount of bookwork including paying everyone each month ON TIME, (sponsors) would of course make a little more
(usually). The others could avoid the dealing with the public and concentrate on the advertising end of things and make their money from that side of the coin.

it was a win win situation that run honorably, will produce loyal
affiliations where everybody works towards the goal of making money /
keeping the client spending and happy.

It was a team that truly understood the importance of the other. No matter
how big a program gets; it can only stand to gain by continuing to treat
its affiliates right; because think what you will, that is for the most
part extra money coming in that you would likely have never seen otherwise.

The net is huge and so varried that the odds are slim a program would pickup
very many players that are brought in by their small partners who merely ask
to be paid what they earned according to the sponsors’s own choice of pay
structure.

That we pay for advertisement, work as hard as we would if it were our very
own casino; to sell it, seems to go unappreciated which is one thing;
but when we have our rightfully earned income shaved or threatened to be
witheld because we didn’t send enough new players lately; that is a
guarantee the program in question will never be close to what it could have
become if it had merely honored it’s own agreement; without any kind of
cutting corners or shaving. Sending CDs without our link code in cross
market effort; popup exits without our code; all that stuff is what is
holding back your programs.

no wonder I never make any money with CC

The page without a cd link will have “no navigational functionality, other than “Download Now”.

IMHO that is horse poop, and does not address the problem adequately even for a short-term “solution”.

That would be great, if people who visited a casino were complete morons who had no need to check a casino site out before depositing their hard earned dollars.

What is the long term solution?

I was sitting on the fence on this until I read that, and reading between the lines I see that Casino Coins does not see affiliate marketing as a priority.

I think I still have 2 links to a CC casino on my page. Two links too many.

Oh ya, and by the way, I have only ever had two chargebacks in the 4 or 5 years now that I’ve been in the business.

TW0 !!!

that’s out of

… lets see

using stats at one program from 1 year ago

1600 hits sent
x
10 months
16000
+3200
19100
thats about 20,000
x 4 main programs
80,000 visitors
x 5 years
400,000 hits sent

i had 52 signs
x 10
520
104
624 players
x 5 years
3120 depositing players and I’ve had 2 chargebacks. the second only last week.

that surely must turn the heads of many webmasters that are seeing chargebacks on a consistent basis.