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March 3, 2005 at 7:17 pm #587952AnonymousInactive
I was wondering what you think of Poker Room?
Are you making money?
And what about the signupratio?March 3, 2005 at 8:07 pm #662318AnonymousInactiveI am going to wait til they start paying for our players when they play casino games. Then I will promote them.
March 3, 2005 at 10:14 pm #662324AnonymousInactiveThats nasty. I geuss thats way not haw seen mutch Poker Room advertismet.
So whay are we not get payed for casinoplay?March 3, 2005 at 11:07 pm #662326AnonymousInactivesend your players to partypoker or empirepoker
excerpt from terms and conditions for pokerroom.com:
5.5. The Referral Percentage will be paid out for a maximum of 3 years for each player. This is calculated from the players first deposit date.
March 4, 2005 at 9:26 am #662340AnonymousInactiveHi everyone
I understand that there has been some questions regarding our program in this thread. Let me clarify certain things on what is happening to the affiliate program at PokerRoom.com as well as what have been the stand in the past.
You are absolutely correct that affiliates have not received revenues (or been credited for losses) for their customers in the casino-part of PokerRoom.com. The reasons/explanations for this are several. 1) Poker is the main business of PokerRoom.com and its customers 2) I think by offering affiliates the best deals in terms of poker revenues for their customers, we have emphasized this as we focus on poker, we give the incentives to affiliates and their customers to do the same as well as the fact that we never do marketing for our casino-part 3) Due to resources have been scarce on the development side as well within the affiliate management, casino has not been integrated into the program.
However, this will now change as of 4th of May this year, casino will be integrated into the affiliate program. Once it has been launched, I will happily explain what makes PokerRoom.com’s affiliate program the best and fairest in the industry.
Regarding life-time vs 3-year rule of compensation/revenues for a referred customer, we do have a 3-year rule in place from time of first deposit made by a customer. I think this also fair as other programs, can terminate your payments for referred customers within 60 days, if you have not met their requirements.
Please get back to me with your feedback on the above and what you feel about it as my and PokerRoom.com’s intention is to have a partnership rather than a referrer program with our affiliates. I, as the affiliate manager at PokerRoom.com, will try my very best to meet your demands, listen to you, assist you, as you are extremely important for me and our business.
Yours sincerely
Edward Ihre
Affiliate Manager at PokerRoom.com
March 4, 2005 at 1:36 pm #662345AnonymousInactivethe 3 year rule is bullocks and you know it.
I have talked with every single poker room online and from my involvement in online casino promotion a player who has been with me for 3 years or more happens more often than you should think.. sure they might try other places but more than often I see my players come back to the place they started out.
and to rob this from me is just crazy… im making you enough money already. Both party and empire can make it profitable so should your company.
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terminate your payments for referred customers within 60 days, if you have not met their requirements.Well I get a flat fee + 25% and so does a few others i know but never have I heard about people getting “fired” other than if they abused the payment structure.
Then again why listen to me… thanks god the other poker rooms seem to be able to understand the affiliate game and the worth of our work!
This is a biz and we are here to both make you money but also earn our own paycheck and your affiliate structure as it is now is quite frankly a big insult/slap in the faces of superaffiliates…
but good luck non the less!
March 4, 2005 at 3:02 pm #662357AnonymousInactiveSigh. I knew the casino gaming would be integrated soon and was planning to join then.
But I do not like the 3 year rule either. I think you need to change it, it is a huge deterrent.
March 4, 2005 at 4:15 pm #662367AnonymousInactiveSo what if my pokerplayer deposit $1000 for playing poker and the he get some bad hands and start playing casino games and loses all his money
on casino. What then? :bored:March 4, 2005 at 4:26 pm #662368AnonymousInactiveEdward wrote:3) Due to resources have been scarce on the development side as well within the affiliate management, casino has not been integrated into the program.Yours sincerely
Edward Ihre
Affiliate Manager at PokerRoom.com
I do not believe that for a second. You guys are adding new games all the time to your platform and I am sure your software engineers could have easily integrated the casino games into the affiliate program. Anyways, I have refused to market your site because of this reason, but maybe I will have a change of heart if you get rid of the 3 year rule. Any chance of that happening?
March 5, 2005 at 3:44 am #662421AnonymousGuestHi,
I’ve promoted PR for some time now. I’ve put up with the obvious bs about not getting paid for the casino games; and it has hurt PR’s positioning considerably on my sites. I would’nt even list it all if not for the fact that it is a no-download poker room.
because of that fact; only only because of it; I will continue to keep PR listed; but if you ever want a shot at premium ad placement on any of my sites will need to
1. give me credit for the life of the player, not 3 years. that is a deal breaker and its not further negotiable. There are just too many places that WILL happily offer that deal; and that’s a true partnership.
2. of course, give me a % of losses on casino games played by players I sent. Do that; and you will actually start to get traffic interested in playing your higher house edge games. I’d be a complete moron to ever consider listing you on any pages with traffic looking to play casino games with no further explanation necessary as to why.
Other than that I think PR has been okay. They pay on time, i’ve received no complaints from players about the place (which is also ultra-important in my book).
So you guys ever decide to do the right thing, and you might be, no I think I can say you WILL be pleasantly surprised as to how taking the high road pays off in the long run.
thanks for listening
S. #546
March 5, 2005 at 2:40 pm #662433AnonymousInactiveHi again everyone
Thank you for your feedback, I truly appreciate it. I can tell you that PokerRoom.com and myself, are very serious about our affiliate program, if we haven’t previously, we are surely now. I will take all your feedback into consideration and get back to you as soon as I have come up with a solution that would work very well for all parties. But I do hope you can see our position as well in regards to the 3-year-rule as if we would change this to a life-time-rule, what can we ask our affiliates for then? Can we get assurance of life-time partnership with the affiliate?
Regarding the casino games, these will be implemented shortly and I can assure you that it has NOT been done previously out of greed, simply due to the fact that we, the industry, has grown so tremendously, casino games were not implemented as no one has had the time to do it or anticipate it and the industry’s success.
all the best and please email me at affiliate@PokerRoom.com with any concerns you might have and I am sure we can solve them.
Edward
Affiliate Manager at PokerRoom.comMarch 5, 2005 at 3:27 pm #662437AnonymousInactiveThe 3 year limit is a deal breaker.
Everyone else offers the player for life, why would I accept a deal where all my work is useless after three years?
That is a no go.
March 5, 2005 at 4:50 pm #662442AnonymousInactiveEdward wrote:But I do hope you can see our position as well in regards to the 3-year-rule as if we would change this to a life-time-rule, what can we ask our affiliates for then? Can we get assurance of life-time partnership with the affiliate?Edward
Affiliate Manager at PokerRoom.comAffiliates cannot guarantee life-time partnership, but the 3 year rule will guarantee no partnership (for me at least).
March 6, 2005 at 2:05 am #662478AnonymousGuestCan we get assurance of life-time partnership with the affiliate?
Yes sir you can.
I assure you that every player I send will be our partnership for life.
What more do you want?
I can send that same player to a dozen other places that will jump on my offer, why should i settle for 3 years?
we all know poker players have very long lasting relationships when they find a site they like; so come on, a person would have to be a complete moron to choose to send a player to a site that is only willing to pay you for what may be only 20% of the time the player stays there; less even.
No, the 3 year thing will be what keeps PR from competing with the bigger sites like Party poker that offer the standard lifetime deal.
This is a no-brainer. Please do not insult our intelligence by rationalizing-away the point.
as for whether we will be your partner for life or not;
aside from the fact that hey: I have 100 depositing players, would you like them to be signed up and playing at PR? If you would like this to happen, please agree to splitting the rake with me for the lifetime of the player’s accounts; and further more I will take only 30% of the rake, not half:
to which you either agree or disagree. If you agree, I send the players. If not; I send them somewhere else that is willing to agree to the standard:
to which any smart operator is going to jump on.
but setting that aside for a second; (meaning that future signups are just that; future; we have made no agreements past that last group of players I sent you)
but keep in mind that there is no logical, intelligent reason for an affiliate to drop a program unless they are caught cheating, try to change the rules midstream without my agreeing to it, or somehow mistreat the players I send them; or for not producing.
Hey if you guys aren’t turning my traffic into players, then what good am I to you anyway? And vice-versa. So that part of things will take care of itself.
There is just no reason to ever consider dropping a sponsor who pays on time, and converts within an acceptable ratio, unless they try to crap on us somehow. And there’s plenty of that out there so all the more reason to be loyal to the places that are loyal (meaning fair) to us.
so if that’s all that was holding up this parade, then get the terms changed and lets see if you don’t suddenly get an increase of traffic from doing nothing more than the right thing.
Its not often you get the chance to do the right thing…. AND make more money.
March 6, 2005 at 5:13 pm #662526AnonymousInactiveQuote:I will take all your feedback into consideration and get back to you as soon as I have come up with a solution that would work very well for all parties. But I do hope you can see our position as well in regards to the 3-year-rule as if we would change this to a life-time-rule, what can we ask our affiliates for then? Can we get assurance of life-time partnership with the affiliate?Affiliation is a lifelong partnership….seek some advice from some other programs or something or do some homework as to how affiliation works…
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