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This could be great news for the industry. Will Hill’s would never condone some of the tactics CPays do and for the black-hatters the days of hit-and-run CPA incentives could soon be over.
Things that make you go hmmmmm:sarcasm:
Why the hmmm?
This is excellent news for everyone – the integrity of William Hill as a brand coupled with the Account Manager experience of Webroute, who will also be looking after the Cpays brands, with Cpays moving out of the picture.
Dont forget this will all be happening over the next few months, and as I get more news i will let everyone know.
The hmmm is.. as in very interesting, why so defensive?
Oh, boy, that’s gonna be fun to watch.
the Account Manager experience of Webroute
The one year you’ve been in business or the staff of CPAYS?
@Simmo! 181698 wrote:
This could be great news for the industry. Will Hill’s would never condone some of the tactics CPays do and for the black-hatters the days of hit-and-run CPA incentives could soon be over.
I personally agree with you Simmo! Atleast I can hope. LOL
I know that folks like TheBoyMitchell and others that got ‘caught up’ in this ‘merger’ do care about affiliates so I’m not going to hold William Hill and Webroute responsible for what cpays did to me.
If I do work with them I’ll never place any of the brands that cpays had. :flush:
I think its a great thing but it still does not excuse CPays for all the underhand tactics and thievery they have committed in the past – and lets not mince our words because that is what they did .
I wonder how William Hill with its great reputation can get into a relationship with a company that has this kind of reputation . Makes one wonder what the powers at be at CPays are now up to .
See Jamie – i told you you worked for Cpays
I can’t imagine how much William Hill must have been paid to join up with these crooks. Simply amazing.
I am yet to experience a merger / takeover where I am comfortable with the players being carried over. Retained players inevitably take a plummet with a merger.
I do not like this one tiny bit.
Is this an outrigth merger of programs or will William Hill simply give the new program rights to run a program while they continue to run their own program in-house?
Stupid;181731 wrote:Oh, boy, that’s gonna be fun to watch.The one year you’ve been in business or the staff of CPAYS?
Hi Stupid.
I was actually talking about the combined experience of the Webroute staff. Although its only been operational for a year, I have 7 years online experience, and the others in this office total about 20-25 years between the 7 of them.
So I think that that is quite a lot of experience.
bonustreak;181727 wrote:The hmmm is.. as in very interesting, why so defensive?I wasnt being defensive!
mr.j;181840 wrote:I can’t imagine how much William Hill must have been paid to join up with these crooks. Simply amazing.Its a joint venture. The details are here http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0348a286-9ee0-11dd-98bd-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1
From the press reports in todays Financials it seems to have been very warmly welcomed. Now all I have to do is placate those of you with lingering doubts.
Dont forget, this is going to happen over a period of months, not days, so at the moment, absolutely nothing changes. William Hill will stil be running their affiliate program, Webroute will be running Blackpool Club and Cpays will be looking after their portfolio of brands.
Over the next few months I understand that a new integrated platform will be released that will allow affiliates to log into one admin site and viewe the stats for all the brands. When this happens I imagine that the shift in emphasis between the companies will change – I will be Account Managing William Hill, Blackpool Club and the Cpays brands in the UK with the London team, what *was* Cpays will be doing the same into Europe and William Hill Online will be in a position to take the best parts of each company and share that experience across each brand.
In theory this should mean a massive increase in the available offers to the Affiliates, and more choice for the players – for example it will mean that Blackpool Club could offer a sportsbook courtesy of the Orbis platform that William Hill use, it could mean that William Hill get a better Bingo platform to run off, and it could mean that we can also supply a comprehensive White Label that offers Casino, Poker, Bingo and Sportsbook.
The JV is desiged to help everyone. I realise that the name CPays doesnt sit well with some affiliates (in fact when we were briefed about it I thought ‘Oh….’), but the bottom line is that in about 6 months there will be one company called William Hill online that will be devoted to providing the best possible gaming experience for players and the best possible Account Management for the affiliates. We are not going to do anything that will impinge on your earning ability, it really wil be a win/win for all parties.
Obviously I understand any reticence – after all this is a massive change involving about 40-50 companies (not just the brands mentioned, but credit card processing companies, customer services, fraud control, *everything*), but at the moment I think the best thing is to voice any opinions and fears here and let me deal with them as they come.
Additionally, if anyone has any outstanding issues with Cpays, then email me or msn me. If you have any paperwork that shows you are owed money this will all help. Over the next few months I will personally help anyone to get what they are owed!
If you have any paperwork that shows you are owed money this will all help.[/CODE]
Are you having a laugh ?
Now how would someone get paperwork from CPays saying that they owed them money . In my case we took over an affiliate account and every single company in the industry allowed this apart from CPays .
They took it as an opportunity to close the account down . Their was $10k owing on that account and they agreed to pay me $5k if i continued to promote them . As if .
I had sent a few clients to the account just before the closed it down and they insisted that there was no further play on the account even though i knew for a fact that a test purchaser that i paid had been playing there .
Now with all of your experience and your teams experience what do you think Affiliates think of williams hills move to take over this brand . I cant imagine Will Hill paying them $250 million . It should be the other way around me thinks .
I have heard horror stories that are a lot worse than mine – are you guys going to clear all of that up ?
Its all very well to say – with our experience etc etc but it seems that Cpays has a deserved reputation and i think it would go down a bit better to say to Affiliates
well we know the issues with CPays in the past – lets look at clearing it up cleaning the slate and starting afresh rather than pointing to different companies — webroute services , william hill cpays and saying that everything is going to be different .
I think its time for Cpays to set everyone right in financial terms . That is the least they can do . Even then it might not be enough as who knows what has gone on behind the scenes.[CODE]If you have any paperwork that shows you are owed money this will all help.[/CODE]
Are you having a laugh ?
Now how would someone get paperwork from CPays saying that they owed them money . In my case we took over an affiliate account and every single company in the industry allowed this apart from CPays .
They took it as an opportunity to close the account down . Their was $10k owing on that account and they agreed to pay me $5k if i continued to promote them . As if .
I had sent a few clients to the account just before the closed it down and they insisted that there was no further play on the account even though i knew for a fact that a test purchaser that i paid had been playing there .
Now with all of your experience and your teams experience what do you think Affiliates think of williams hills move to take over this brand . I cant imagine Will Hill paying them $250 million . It should be the other way around me thinks .
I have heard horror stories that are a lot worse than mine – are you guys going to clear all of that up ?
Its all very well to say – with our experience etc etc but it seems that Cpays has a deserved reputation and i think it would go down a bit better to say to Affiliates
well we know the issues with CPays in the past – lets look at clearing it up cleaning the slate and starting afresh rather than pointing to different companies — webroute services , william hill cpays and saying that everything is going to be different .
I think its time for Cpays to set everyone right in financial terms . That is the least they can do . Even then it might not be enough as who knows what has gone on behind the scenes.
@greggomes 181899 wrote:
Are you having a laugh ?
Sorry, couldnt resist.
And well said on the rest. Did WH really pay $250m for cpays? Incredible. Cpays must be laughing all the way to the bank. Wait and see what happens when WH realises that they actually have to pay affiliates and the ROI goes negative.
greggomes;181899 wrote:Its all very well to say – with our experience etc etc but it seems that Cpays has a deserved reputation and i think it would go down a bit better to say to Affiliateswell we know the issues with CPays in the past – lets look at clearing it up cleaning the slate and starting afresh rather than pointing to different companies — webroute services , william hill cpays and saying that everything is going to be different .
But Greg, that *is* what I am saying. I cant get into Cpays back end, I dont have access to any of their emails or systems, so I am just asking that if people have unresolved issues and have any emails or any correspondence that they can let me have, it would make it easier for me to help them. Some people have sent me their correspondence and so I am helping them.
At the end of the day, if it was just Playtech, Webroute and William Hill everyone would be happy. But it isnt. And as such I feel that the parts of the Joint Venture who do operate ethically etc should be taking it upon themselves to emphasise the good points of the deal and resolve the bad points.
Which is what I am trying to do.
