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Hi all,
That’s interesting since I distinctly remember that WTB was one of the bigger portals to have sent 1000s of players to rip-off casinos.
Here’s a quote from the book beat the web casinos by bob haywood
“Some portals have even given awards to First Live; which it proudly displays on its website. The awards are from: AnteUp, WheretoBet, Gambling.com, the Prescription, PlaceyourBet, and Gambling Registry.”
he goes on to say
“all but one failed to post warnings about the place to which they sent thousands of people.”
perhaps WTB was the one?
In any case I don’t see why people would be in a hurry to support such a portal as to advertise a place they know isn’t player friendly.
Hi bb1webs,
Quote:perhaps WTB was the one?In any case I don’t see why people would be in a hurry to support such a portal as to advertise a place they know isn’t player friendly.
Tend to disagree about us not being player friendly as the site has been around and we have encouraged players to rank their own brands. In the past we sent 1,000+ depositors a month, and nowadays it is under that figure. We are putting considerable time and effort working with people in the industry on the poker, sports, casino and bingo side to make sure the players are treat fairly. We are monitoring all channels and in the new site revamp only pushing the brands that the players like as in the end this means better conversions for us.
I am not the sole owner of WTB but can assure you we are a standup group and always have been and never ripped people off. We have experienced enemies in the past as we were sending 5,000 signups a month with an average of 1,500 placing their first deposit. Not all customers can be kept happy but we can assure you the majority were.
The issue arrose about sending players to bad places when we were promoting 888.com back in 2002 who are now no longer listed, and if they are listed we have no affiliate nor advertising arrangement with them. We are very selective on who we promote and promote the good boys as they convert resulting in better commissions and reputation for us.
Hope this helps enlighten you to where we stand, and remember any issues then email q (at) wheretobet.com (Chris) or just PM myself.
Hi all (S),
sorry if that is misleading but it is a direct quote from bob haywood’s book.
And I believe his issue was about a place called “First Live” rather than 888.
the book is called “beat the web casinos”. Its an old book which is outdated in many respects but I don’t see how this could be outdated. It is either true or not.
I’m pretty sure I bought the book before 2002.
The website WTB was founded in 1997 and has since seen over 25,0000 depositors placed at successful companies with little to no complaints. However in the last few years the site was neglected and we are now putting time and effort into making this work.
It is quite rich to say that we are misleading players as this clearly is not the case and this book refers to a specific case dating back actually before I was involved with the site pre 2000.
We operate as an honest and upright portal and only want the best for our visitors, by directing them in the best places to bet at, as well providing useful information.
Simon I apologize as I had no idea who was behind WTB … I merely provided information which has been published by a credible company and was sold to me from the non-fiction section of a very credible book seller (Noble and Barnes in fact as I remember buying the book. It was my introduction to OG)
this dates back far before the 2002 date you mentioned and had nothing to do with 888.
It is quite rich to say that we are misleading players as this clearly is not the case and this book refers to a specific case dating back actually before I was involved with the site pre 2000.
I don’t see it being rich to state that players were misled. If they were sent to a casino that turned out to be a bad deal then yes they were misled.
but since this all pre-dates your involvment with the site then it is not important.
It might be a good thing I brought this up. I imagine that I am not the only one under such impression. Any of those sites named would be sites I would avoid for the simple reason of why take the chance?
When I first posted in this thread I merely commented on the name which whether a part of or not at the time in question …. you still inherit the name and thus the reputation that comes with the name.
So if I was under the impression the sites named were bad choices then odds are good that I am not the only one who did not know there was new blood (that being yourself) … since the time when haywood accuses the negligence. I don’t know if you read the book but that quote is far from being the most unkind he makes.
And i haven’t been to WTB but it appears the approach is now more player-friendly and as such it might be a good idea to also note that there is new blood behind the new approach.
because I first saw it as being similar to Grand Prive’s starting the new aff program while shutting down the existing one. Meaning the same owners pissing on our leg while trying to convince us it was raining.
Quite different if it is new people to accompany the new approach. Good luck with it.
@bb1webs 190218 wrote:
Simon I apologize as I had no idea who was behind WTB … I merely provided information which has been published by a credible company and was sold to me from the non-fiction section of a very credible book seller (Noble and Barnes in fact as I remember buying the book. It was my introduction to OG)
this dates back far before the 2002 date you mentioned and had nothing to do with 888.
I don’t see it being rich to state that players were misled. If they were sent to a casino that turned out to be a bad deal then yes they were misled.
but since this all pre-dates your involvment with the site then it is not important.
It might be a good thing I brought this up. I imagine that I am not the only one under such impression. Any of those sites named would be sites I would avoid for the simple reason of why take the chance?
When I first posted in this thread I merely commented on the name which whether a part of or not at the time in question …. you still inherit the name and thus the reputation that comes with the name.
So if I was under the impression the sites named were bad choices then odds are good that I am not the only one who did not know there was new blood (that being yourself) … since the time when haywood accuses the negligence. I don’t know if you read the book but that quote is far from being the most unkind he makes.
And i haven’t been to WTB but it appears the approach is now more player-friendly and as such it might be a good idea to also note that there is new blood behind the new approach.
because I first saw it as being similar to Grand Prive’s starting the new aff program while shutting down the existing one. Meaning the same owners pissing on our leg while trying to convince us it was raining.
Quite different if it is new people to accompany the new approach. Good luck with it.
No need to apologise as it is nice to see some people do their research.
Phoenix Media the current owners my company along with a handful of other individuals owns WTB and have done so on paper since 2005. Before that we did some work on the site but mainly focussed on other forms of marketing.
We have neglected to really put the effort and time into the site and now we are starting a mamouth project that we hope in the long run will benefit the punters and pay back.
We are busy developing the following
http://forum.wheretobet.com (WTB forum)
http://sports.wheretobet.com (Sports Betting side of the site, launch Dec 15th)
http://casino.wheretobet.com (Casino side of the site, launch mid January)
http://poker.wheretobet.com (poker side of the site, launch mid January)
http://bingo.wheretobet.com (bingo side of the site, launch mid January)
http://asia.wheretobet.com (focus on the asian market)
http://uk.wheretobet.com (focus on the UK market)
http://euro.wheretobet.com (focus on the european market)
http://portals.wheretobet.com (we list and compare different gaming portals and rank them)For each section we are developing we will have a dedicated team to working on that area and working closely with the providers.
Will keep you posted when I know more, but we are making baby steps for the time being.
Chris Quinn is the forum and content writer and can be emailed by emailing q (at) wheretobet.com.
