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Sorry if this was posted before but ,
Just finding out why my stats werent correct with casino nordica as I knew I had a few depositors that downloaded and signed up from my banner…
I was told that it had to do with cookies and that player may have clicked on another banner elsewhere but didnt download nor sign up, so therefore isnt under my link.
I see lots of clicks but no other stats, would you continue promoting or drop them?I would like to know what other casinos this is done with and what your thoughts are..
any help would be appreciated
When in doubt its easy.
dump ’em of the bottom line doesn’t seem like where it should be. especially if its not near ….
I have said this a million times and still believe it more than ever. Surfers will go where you lead them.
I have experienced leading them to a casino that didn’t pay me …. and all i can think of is what if I didn’t have that casino listed?
True … maybe I wouldn’t have gotten the sign up at a different casino. But at the very least I wouldn’t have helped make a lot of money for a sponsor that totally screwed me.
In the end …. its test, test and test again. After that …. if all signups show (had my share that didn’t) ….. have deposits not show up (had one that only showed exactly 50% of the deposits .. in fact it was a casino I had tested for Cindy at gpwa – way back before she decided I wasn’t worthy so you know if they were screwing her … and the I’ve seen posts by the Prof where he claimed he should be making much more …. so IMHO nobody is immune)
make rich those that make you richer. Listing casinos that don’t produce for whatever reason is only hurting yourself because one way …. you didn’t make any money.. the other way …. you made a lot of money for a sponsor that never gave you a share.
I’m having this very discussion with a partner now. He says we should have listed at least one choice of every software regardless of the bottom line. For content sake. I say that we are only setting ourselves up for losing what might have ended up a big player paying big dividends at a good sponsor … and stand to lose nothing ….. oh ya …… and be putting money in a program’s pocket that isn’t willing to pay us our share.
Now think those choices over carefully. What’s the best chance of actually making money for yourself?
What i do is I’ll list a casino / software that doesn’t make money … and then put up a disclaimer saying I don’t recommend them… instead consider this other choice …
from experience ….. you’ll still have your share that leave or follow the link you blatantly warned them away from. You lose money. when that happened I finally took out the link competely and said if you want this casino that bad …. I won’t help you get there. but when you get treated like dirt… remember the site that tried to warn you.
can’t say all will ….. but most big players will remember and appreciate your being upfront and trying so hard to save them from the misery they were bound to experience.
@stemat 128985 wrote:
Sorry if this was posted before but ,
Just finding out why my stats werent correct with casino nordica as I knew I had a few depositors that downloaded and signed up from my banner…
I was told that it had to do with cookies and that player may have clicked on another banner elsewhere but didnt download nor sign up, so therefore isnt under my link.
I see lots of clicks but no other stats, would you continue promoting or drop them?I would like to know what other casinos this is done with and what your thoughts are..
any help would be appreciated
Hi,
It is our policy to set a cookie on a user’s computer for 1 year which gives credit to the affiliate who first sent that player to our casino or poker room’s landing page.
I’m sure many affiliates would believe this is quite a standard feature within affiliate programs.
We cannot control the fact that some users do bounce around at multiple affiliate sites and within their session would have clicked a competitors affiliate link before choosing to indeed click on your link and register, deposit etc.
This will work vice versa for you, as every unique first time visitor that clicks your affiliate link will be tracked to a cookie for 1 year.
You forgot to mention in your post that in this case the player you believed went through your link, for some reason or another, didn’t track to your account and was tracked to our front-page type-in tracker.
As I mentioned in my MSN conversation with you I have now swapped this player to be tracked to your affiliate account, so all future earnings you will receive credit.
Our policy is to always be open to swap players tracked to our default tracker if the affiliate can reasonably prove their case that a player did indeed have every intention to signup via their link.
Note however our policy is to NEVER swap a player to an affiliate who was already referred via another affiliate (this happens quite regularly but as I explained above this cannot be controlled, first in best dressed.)
Cheers,
Thanks bbwebs and partnernordica
I understand if one isnt doing ya good to drop. But my question was about cookies. I wasnt aware of this is how some work. My question also was on what other casinos do this?
Chris, My bad I guess for not doing my homework in reading more of your policy or others in this matter. I thought when ever one downloads and signs up as a real player from, thats where the tracking stats are made.
I also appreciate you making the switch of that player and I guess it is a win or loose situation.
Thank youpretty much all casinos use this.. it gets crappy when some sites inject cookies unknown to the visitors though..
I think those cookies should be the other way around. The person who closes the deal should be the one to get the commission. If I was a car salesman and tried to sell someone a car and they didn’t buy from me but went to another salesperson and purchased the car from them, that person should get the commission, not myself just because I was the first person who tried.
I hate affiliate programs that do that. I could use a whole bunch of cookie stuffing techniques and get my cookies set on thousands of online gamblers computers and steal the commissions from all the honest affiliates out there that actually put in the effort to generate the referral. Thats the kind of program that invites this behavior from black hatters.
Your analogy of the car salesman in my opinion and the opinion of the majority of affiliates I’ve spoken to doesn’t quite relate to how affiliate programs work.
From my stand-point I can’t please all affiliates.
The feedback I get from the majority of our affiliates is they expect a cookie to be placed on the user’s computer because in their belief they have done all the hard work and originally got the player to our site.
And if the user does not download the software at that point in time and revisits our homepage at a later date, like the next day or a week later, the affiliate will still get credit for the original lead when they do initiate a download because your affiliate cookie was set.
Rob472 – “I think those cookies should be the other way around. “
– Well if we did do this; remember you would lose out on all the players in the scenario I described above. All players you sent to our landing page that did not download the software in that browser session would be lost to the next affiliate whose linking code they click through. Or they may only remember to type in the casino or poker room name and join via the front-door – again you would not get credit for that player as no cookie was set.
I think you will find that the fact we do set a cookie is more beneficial for you rather than a working against you. If we were to find an affiliate that was using cookie-cutting techniques they would be in violation of our terms and would be banned and prevented from promoting our particular brands. Personally I have never been associated with affiliates practicing such techniques in my 2 years of being an affiliate manager.
allfreechips – “it gets crappy when some sites inject cookies unknown to the visitors though..”
I think you will find the majority of sites (mainstream or gambling related) set cookies without the users knowledge for multiple reasons; I can’t see how this can be seen as “crappy”.
@PartnerNordica 129235 wrote:
And if the user does not download the software at that point in time and revisits our homepage at a later date, like the next day or a week later, the affiliate will still get credit for the original lead when they do initiate a download because your affiliate cookie was set.
Rob472 – “I think those cookies should be the other way around. “
– Well if we did do this; remember you would lose out on all the players in the scenario I described above. All players you sent to our landing page that did not download the software in that browser session would be lost to the next affiliate whose linking code they click through. Or they may only remember to type in the casino or poker room name and join via the front-door – again you would not get credit for that player as no cookie was set.
I think you misunderstood that. I’m not saying you shouldn’t set a cookie. I think all affiliate programs should use cookies. If the user comes back at a later point in time then the affiliate will get credit. What I’m saying is that if that player later clicks through another affiliate link (someone elses) then the older cookie should be overwritten with the new one and the last person to refer should get the credit.
It is our policy to set a cookie on a user’s computer for 1 year which gives credit to the affiliate who first sent that player to our casino or poker room’s landing page.
Hi Chris,
I understand many do this but I thought it was more like 3 to 6 months. A year is a long time in this business. I think it adds up to 12 in human years :tongue:.
My question is what if the origanal site is defunct by then. Does the player go to the next affiliate that has been clicked or to Nordica?
Thanks for your help.
Mojo
@mojo 129241 wrote:
Hi Chris,
My question is what if the origanal site is defunct by then. Does the player go to the next affiliate that has been clicked or to Nordica?
Mojo
I’m not sure what you mean by “origanal site is defunct” ? If a cookie gets deleted or expired, then of course the next affiliate link will set a new cookie.
The last affiliate program I worked for set the cookie for 2 years! Again the feedback I have received is 6-1year is a fair period to set an affiliate cookie.
On a personal note I regularly delete my cookies every month; not that this is to make a point either way, just personal habits.
I could be wrong but unless the user deletes the cookie it remains even if the site the cookie came goes down and/or no longer is an affiliate. Who does this player get credited to?
Thanks for the info though i can’t think of others who keep cookies that long. Maybe others have?
Thanks again,
MojoHey Chris,
Thanks for the quick response and i think it’s great you mapped that player back.I have also suggested if forums that the tracking cookie algorithm should be the last referral should get the player. This is not how the industry does it, so i don’t expect you to change, but do think the last person to influence the player should get commission.
Welcome to CAP as certified partner.
@PartnerNordica 129235 wrote:
allfreechips – “it gets crappy when some sites inject cookies unknown to the visitors though..”
I think you will find the majority of sites (mainstream or gambling related) set cookies without the users knowledge for multiple reasons; I can’t see how this can be seen as “crappy”.
What I ment by crappy is an affiliate can use a javascript to put your casinos cookies on a visitors pc with out ever going to your site.. There was a large case of this in the past, and a ton on non gambling affiliates.
@allfreechips 129255 wrote:
What I ment by crappy is an affiliate can use a javascript to put your casinos cookies on a visitors pc with out ever going to your site.. There was a large case of this in the past, and a ton on non gambling affiliates.
Javascript isn’t the only way. Even though most browsers block 3rd party cookies by default, but assuming they aren’t blocked, websites can use a 1px by 1px iframe with their affiliate link to set a cookie without the users knowledge. Another popular cookie stuffing method is to put a non existing image in a forum signature. Then in your htaccess file on your website, redirect that image path to the affiliate link. Anyone that reads that thread will have the cookie set on their computer. I have ran numerous tests and about 40% of web users have 3rd party cookies blocked so someone can still reach the other 60%.
There are also some other ways but I think I said too much already. Don’t wanna be giving people ideas. :banger:
