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Thank you, Dom.
I hope the AGD forum will be reactivated later today as well.
The reason this is a big deal is that now other programs are going to see an opportunity to do the same. Why pay more than you have to? Why not break contracts and do whatever you want whenever you want?
Exactly. This is a very serious issue, and it must be dealt with.
Retroactive changes that adversely affect affiliates are not acceptable. Period.
This has been discussed at great length elsewhere, for the last month. I think everyone is on the same page (with the exception of Stupid).
Would someone from BCP / Blasters please post here and clarify their position?
Many affiliates signed up to BCP / Blasters before the new terms were put in place. If one of these affiliates currently has active players at Golden Casino or at the Blasters properties, and if this affiliate decides to promote someone else and stop delivering players (for whatever reason they choose) — will you pay them 30% (or 36%) as promised when they signed up, or will you lower their commission to 5%?
Its very good reason to raise our voices.
Deal is deal.
When they want to change T&C, fine – but not for old players!This is damn scary, to even think about what the repercussions of this will be makes me ill. This is my lively hood and how I as a single Mom take care of my kids and pay bills, and now all the other programs are getting the green light to break my contracts with them on my paid %.
Wow on the AGD forum being taken away as well, I am not sure what is going on here but I do know that BCP is doing a fine job of tearing this community apart, we should be working together not against each other. Said my peace now I need to go and have my affiliate account shut once and for all I am not working with BCP and they can shove any money they owe me up their you know what.
I’m not happy about how this BCP thing is going down and I feel that this is wrong and extremly unfair to affiliates that trusted them and promoted them in good-faith that do this full time to support ourselves.
I do want to also say that CAP is fully within their right to operate this forum as they see fit, but I have a very bad feeling that we all just lost.
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/bcp-certification-revoked.30456.html?
Thank god this nightmare is over.
:dancecat:I’m glad it’s over, too. I would like to see the AGD forum back, though….
Sorry Dave thats a seperate issue and unfortunately its not going to happen. AGD’s comments were totally out of line. Quite frankly I would ban for life most anyone else who made the statements he did. I know what you or Dom are going to say, that he was passionate about the issue, but this is not the first time we have had a problem with Andy’s deteriorating attitude with respect to CAP. He and I spoke at length (Ok he listened, I ranted) about this in July and nothing has really changed. Its been an ongoing problem all year basically and I am tired of it. We did a lot to help and support AGD over the years and I wish Andy the best of luck with that endeavor, but a relationship should be beneficial to both parties and each member must respect the other for it to work out. This relationship clearly isnt conforming to those basic rules any more and its time for CAP and AGD to part as media partners.
Note: Even though the AGD forums are closed we have not banned Andy and he is welcome to stay on as a regular member as long as he doesnt attack CAP or our integrity either here or anywhere else.
The commission percentage cut if you do no promote is added later, to their benefits.
A clear indication of pure robbery : if you once were a very good affiliate (now you are 65+ and want to enjoy life) and built up a large players base they do not pay you the money owed as stipulated in the contracted before.
They made their point and want to go ahead so : Contract breach = breach of trust = no loyalty = no partnership = do not deserve to get certified = waste of time of us all.
Predatory terms should be mentioned on the first page of the BCP/CB affiliate program site just to protect newbies.
R.
I’ve always found Andy to be a passionate guy who believes in the rights for affiliates first before anything else he does. Even affiliate programs now go to him before launch to make sure their Terms and Conditions made the grade.
I must admit I was a little surprised to hear that Andy would have made comments which would have had him banned for life. A deteriorating attitude, just doesnt sound like the Andy I have spoken to at conferences, or on the phone. But then I am not sure of the posting rules here myself, and who is allowed to say what and about whom.
Saying that, I dont know what Andy said, but I guess its for CAP and Andy to sort out. It would be a shame to see 2 respected industry groups not able to work something out, especially with the state of gaming as it is currently.
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personally I do not know Andy (AFG) but i could not imagine an affiliate life without the AFG.
The amount of work of reading and updating all those comments on T&C’s ………
Andy if you some credits you I will sure vote for you.:thumbsup:
Guys Andy is not banned and AGD is just fine. I really dont want to go over this again as we have had enough negativity over the last few days and I want to move on to other things that are much more important happening in our industry.
Rakesh you may not have read the post I was referring to as its been archived so I will post this once. After that can we all just go on about business please?
Quote:Wow – This move says to affiliates that CAP will certify programs that are willing to break contracts and steal from affiliates? I don’t think that is the kind of precedent you want to set, to be honest.I can only say that this is a horrible move for affiliates that BCP is ‘certified’ by CAP. I guess everyone just has to remember that certification is bought and paid for, not given based upon merit like it used to be.
Very poor decision making on this oneLou, I don’t think you should take Andy’s comments as an “attack” on CAP personally. After all you guys have made no secret of the fact that Certification is a paid for priviledge anyway. He’s only stating what we all already know IMO, although maybe he could have chosen his words a little more delicately
And speaking personally, CAP for me is about this excellent forum, the awesome conferences you guys organise, your own feedback and the news from Nathan, Alex and the team plus the ability to discuss things with the programs, etc, etc. I’ll be quite frank here, forgive me, but the Certification side isn’t something I give much credence to, personally. I can’t speak for anyone else, but as feedback goes, I feel it’s worth saying so at least the CAP sales team are aware there’s at least one of me
And finally (phew! I hear you say) IMO, having AGD visible on here benefits all affiliates plus, being a happy type of bunny, I like to see the industry get on to work together rather than be at odds with each other. Whether that’s you, Marc L, J Todd, Andy…you all provide valuable services to the industry and I’d hope you’d respect each other’s abilities to do so, indeed, embrace them. I know you want this issue to pass, but I’d urge you to let harmony break out and bring back the AGD forum :hattip:
I also agree that I don’t think Kw meant harm at all, he spoke out for all of us and like Simmo said the words were not chosen right and I am sure they were posted in haste. I just hate to see him and AGD punished for saying something we were all thinking, accept stupid of course:wink-wink
Most important lesson from all this is to stop and think first when your in a heated mood and a temper is going, don’t post anything, go take a walk do something and come back later to post and I bet your words will be different once you have cooled your jets.
I hate to see AGD go but I have faith that it will still continue to grow and we all just need to make sure to continue to support Kw and his cause, he is after all representing every single one of us affiliates and going up tough against term changes for our benefit.
I am glad the whole thing is behind us and we can all continue on, I will respect any decision that is made by the CAP team of course about the AGD forum.
I can see both sides of the issue because to be honest I would have banned him also, but my first priorty it to see that CAP provides the best of the best as it relates to the igaming industry as a whole and Andy’s information is the best so I just wanted to show my support to have the forum open here as well, but I will respect your decision.
Thank you, everyone, for your support. I certainly appreciate that. But, no need to worry about AGD – we will be just fine and affiliates will always have access to the terms alerts and program change information over there.
I agree with Prof, though, and feel that we need not exacerbate the situation by arguing the merit of AGD’s forum being live on CAP. The information will always be at AGD and it is a simple place to visit.
I will continue down the path of fighting for affiliates, no worries!
