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My second week playing Holdem, (.25/.50 No Limit) I was walking away over $100.00 up each night.
And then it happened: I ran out of beginners luck! My dreams of playing poker for a living vanished up in smoke so I hit the books and joined Limit games.
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Many of the poker rooms are streaky. I play daily and can really go on a tear and win several hundred dollars and am seemingly invincible then almost like a faucet being shut off I can lose everything just as quickly.
Now this is probably all just part of the game, BUT the cynic in me says there are times when the poker rooms seed hands to bump up the rake.
Too often when I am in a bad streak I notice I get pocket 10s and then another player gets pocket JJs and a third comes up with pocket KKs. The real odds of this happening at a table of six players has to be astronomical, but it happens all the time, so go figure.
Also my conspiracy theory tendencies spring to life when I think about robot players and how they could easily manipulate the pots and rakes and even take money outright….
I know I know, none of this really happens, right?
Just wanted to add I have been getting my ass handed to me all morning playing in NL Holdem tournaments so this may have colored my thoughts about poker today…
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I agree Prof, especially about PP. I hardly ever play there and find it to be at the very least suspect for similar reasons as you mentioned.
when you mix into the batch the fact of who runs PP, and to me, its enough to make me look elsewhere for my games.
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be especially cautious of beginners luck syndrome. I see it happen way too damn much to not make one at least take into consideration there may be more forces at work than just random luck.
anybody half worth their salt knows that the smartest thing a gambling establishment can do; is to make their new arrivals winners.
think about it. short of a recent big loss; you don’t hardly recall the bad days, but I bet you remember which places you last had a big win with vivid clearity.
“anybody half worth their salt knows that the smartest thing a gambling establishment can do; is to make their new arrivals winners.”
When it comes to poker, this is certainly not true. It would be hideously bad business.
If they had a choice, card rooms would want regular players to not lose. If newbies constantly beat regulars, a cardroom would be out of business almost instantly.
Poker is not like casino games. You need people to play. New players are much more likely to wade in if they see thousands playing compared to six people at one table. To have thousands, you have to have satified customers. Satisfied customers come from not treating people wrong.
The plain fact of the matter is most poker players stink, and even more importantly, they don’t think they stink. There may be no area of life than online poker where there is a greater gap between genuine ability and delusional ability.
Hundreds of players have run statistics programs on the large, established poker sites and there is nothing “funny” going on. Weird stuff is supposed to happen in the game. It’s kinda the point.
It’s true that it would make sense to not trust iglobal with much of anything, but again the fact of the matter is in poker the money is in the rake, and you don’t screw with a quarter billion dollar a year business to pick up a few pennies.
To the original question, a couple weks of poker means nothing. A goat with a lobotomy could have a horseshoe stuck up its butt for a week. Check back in a few months.
A goat with a lobotomy. Ha Ha!
I gotta disagree with you on that one Classics. IMO no matter what area of gambling it is; you still are going to get a much greater return on your dollar if you could make the beginners a winner.
but on the other hand I agree that it would be incredibly stupid to mess with such a large and prosperous business to make a few extra dollars, (well a lot more than a few, but in relative terms..) – but that said, I am always amazed that some programs choose to cheat us when I know they’d make so much more by being fair because of how many of us would switch our attention in that direction. Yet they go on and on with their transparent ways and therefore will never reach their full potential. (and largely this type of behavior is trasparent but in a way that we cannot put our finger on the button as being undeniable proof, yet we know the place isn’t treating affs fairly). So if people in that position can be stupid enough to do the things we all know have been done, then it is not out of the realm of reason to think that there might be an ego at Iglobal that thinks they can have their cake and eat it too.
The biggest reason I always think PP is suspect, is that I can go into a different pokerroom and last much, much longer, or even come out a winner, than has been my experience at PP. And its a big difference.
If mr Yook is around anywhere, he’ll tell you the kind of commissions he makes off the rakes I pay at Intercasino, which is as good of proof as any that I DO do pretty well at IC’s poker room.
yet I cannot come close to such results at PP.
I suppose it could be just a streak of bad luck, but I sure do better elsewhere than at Party.
The thing about online poker is that there is no speculation involved. Objective proof is easy to come by, and if any site failed this easy test it would be destroyed.
Plug 50,000 hand histories into one of the commercially available programs, or one you make yourself, and it will spit out incredibly mundane/expected/normal numbers. If something is expecting 8.237% of the time, it will have occured 8.2+/-%.
What I think most people fail to understand is that the best way to make money in the poker world is to run a fair game. There is simply no comparison.
The main point though is even more imporatnt. If a cardroom were to cheat, the way they would do it is to deal out miserably bad hands to everyone. Since the rake is capped, they want virtually no action. In a 5/10 game the rake gets capped just from one player raising preflop, betting the flop, betting the turn and betting the river, while getting called by one single opponent from the big blind. Any more action than that is bad for a cardroom. Dealing out multiple good hands would be idiotic for a cardroom.
Cardrooms HATE action and big pots, especially No Limit action. They make zilch off of it.
if we were to run a cheating poker room: ya, you’d think although there might be a bigger turn around by using prop players to steal the pots, that the smarter cheater would instead keep just spreading the wins around to all of the players therefore keeping the money in action where you know the grind would eventually get it for you, while at the same time keep the players from feeling cheated, therefore they’d put more money in when the account fell dry, instead of saying “i can’t win there” and moving on to another poker room as I have pretty much done at PP.
thanx for the perspective Bud. Maybe I’ll give PP another go one of these days.
