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had me till you said rake back …
I believe I read negative carryover also.
All,
I apologize for using the term rake back. This is affiliate compensation. If you choose not to offer any monetary incentive to your player base for signup and can still pull numbers, I have no issue.
-Brad
Quite a few of us detest sites that offer rake back, I personally see it leading to bidding wars between affiliate sites.
(note: didnt see the negative carryover, another bad one!)
I like this site but I am not clear at the moment. Will this new site stand by rake back or not?
Other poker programs state they allow or they forbid.What does this clearly mean:
Quote:If you choose not to offer any monetary incentive to your player base for signup and can still pull numbers, I have no issue.I would like to work with no rake-back sites, I don’t want to participate player fishing…
Thanks!
All,
Negative carryover shouldnt be a big issue with our poker room. We have structured our bonus plans so that bonus clearing can not exceed the affiliate commission for the month. I cant think of a circumstance where the player could generate a negative balance for either Stacks or the affiliate for the month. We can remove the negative carryover clause if its a sticking point for you guys.
Regarding rakeback, we dont expressly prohibit an affiliate from offering it. I think there is a certain subset of players who are keyed into bonus whoring or rakeback promotions, but this subset is a small percentage of the total poker population. With the entertainment value of our interface, I believe you can attract sticky players and insulate yourself well from ‘price-shopping’.
Im open to feedback on this issue, so let me know your thoughts.
-Brad
What will happen to you if you allow rake back is that the players will approach the room and ask to be transferred to a rake back affiliate. What will you do with an irate player like that? Steal from the rightful affiliate who brought him? If you don’t, the rake back affiliate will move the player to another room. Or teach the player how to open a second account, which then leads to bonus problems for you.
What about the player complaints about rakeback affs who promised the moon and then left them sitting there? They will now leave your room angrily and not come back.
If you want to retain the better players and attract a lot of established affiliates, affiliate driven rake back is not a good idea.
The room should administer the rake back directly and thus retain the player. It is the room that has the accounting in place and the interest to keep the player. Rewarding good customers should be a natural. Bringing in a third person will just make you lose players to other rooms – the rakeback affiliate doesn’t care where his player plays, as long as it’s under him/her.
As always, I advise all affiliates who do not offer rake back themselves not to promote a room that condones rake back. It’s just a good way to end up losing players and working for naught.
Not to pile on, but its good that you at least hear this feedback before you go live.
I agree with Dominique on the rake back issue. I don’t think it should be the affiliates responsibility to handle the rake back. I like how sites offer rake back themselves so I don’t have to deal with it. I think it is more reliable for the sites to do it themselves, because not all affiliates are responsible enough to pay out and pay out on time. No one on this board of course.
Stick to keeping the rake back done by your own site. Allow the affiliates to do it and like Dominque said, you will lose players, and good ones at that.
Thanks,
cbruhn42I’ll be the first to admit I’m only a mediocre poker affiliate. I tend to focus on other industries so generally look at new programs through what affiliates like Dominique have to say. I know she knows the industry a lot better than I do and looks at new programs with the affiliate’s best interest in mind. If she sees red flags, I quietly go on to the next program.
You’ll likely do good business with the bonus whoring, rakeback promoters, but walking that known, shaky ground, may be costing you perfectly capable marketers that only pop into “new program” threads long enough to see if any red flags have been raised by affiliates we respect. We don’t always come back to see the resolution…
Sparrow wrote:I’ll be the first to admit I’m only a mediocre poker affiliate. I tend to focus on other industries so generally look at new programs through what affiliates like Dominique have to say. I know she knows the industry a lot better than I do and looks at new programs with the affiliate’s best interest in mind. If she sees red flags, I quietly go on to the next program.You’ll likely do good business with the bonus whoring, rakeback promoters, but walking that known, shaky ground, may be costing you perfectly capable marketers that only pop into “new program” threads long enough to see if any red flags have been raised by affiliates we respect. We don’t always come back to see the resolution…
I agree 100%.
I trust Dominique in every word she said (btw you “old” guys, would you have thought that your words worth “gold” for newbies?
– I really appreciate your huge knowledge about this business). I am new to this industry and didn’t know anything about rakeback until I read all Dom’s and other’s posts about the topic. I completely agree with her insights about this and where could be red flag I go on to the another program. Moreover my mother tongue is not english, so sometimes I have problems to understand the slang, but these clear definitions about the topic make me see the whole story in a “clear” way.So I don’t really like to promote such a program in which I have the slightiest chance to lose my hard-earned players because of rakeback affiliates. This is my 2 cents
