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It’s not all of them either, there are a bunch more.
Fast Poker is a disappointment – now every poker I picked up through Income Access is rake back.
I landed a large player at Absolute. I am going to be curious to see how long he lasts or if someone steals him before the second deposit. I am still redoing my poker page and with the exception of Absolute I am planning to remove all rake back pokers. Somehow I think Absolute will still do the right thing…they have started in the right direction…but they are not answering my mails anymore so I guess I have become persona nongrata.
I’m not quite clear on this. Am i right in assuming that the affiliate is effectively sharing their commission with the player? If so, is that wrong? Also, they can’t nick players from other affiliates once they’ve been tagged anyway can they?
Cheers
Simmo!
Simmo! wrote:I’m not quite clear on this. Am i right in assuming that the affiliate is effectively sharing their commission with the player? If so, is that wrong? Also, they can’t nick players from other affiliates once they’ve been tagged anyway can they?Cheers
Simmo!
It is a matter of the poker rooms expecting affiliates to pay the promos instead of paying them themselves.
As for stealing players – it is rampant. If you don’t offer rake back, and you promote a room that allows affiliate driven rake back, you can kiss your players good bye. I am not going to explain how to steal players, but believe me, it is very possible at all pokers, every one of them. And it is done all the time.
Also, lots of fraudulent rake back affiliates out there will promise rake back, sign the player under their name, and then disappear and never pay the player. If the player likes the room, he will keep playing anyway and the aff keeps getting paid for stolen players whom he screwed…
And, rakeback is only attractive if you deposit a lot of money every month. Otherwise the bonuses are a lot more useful to players. Unscrupulous rake back affiliates will sell rake back to any and every player they can steal. Players lose out.
The rake back model breeds a criminal element and a very bad subculture that will come back to haunt both other affiliates and the industry alike.
The problem is not that simple. If the network alow 1 skin to offer rake back then all other skins not offering will end up loosing their players.
For exemple in RoyalCardroom network there is no one offring it and is completely prohibited by the network contract. As on oprator the only concern you have is that your player will go to a competitor site to clear the bonus but after that you get him back with a reload bonus or simply becouse your poker client is more atractive…. Most players end up with the first site they signed up in the network.
In opposite is RoyalCardClub the Prima room(the same rules aply in the Party network, it mean nothing that Party stoped it). In the network rooms are alowed to offer it. As all rooms share same players, a big player will be happy to use a rake back site. He has same oponnents just that he earn up to $5000 more per month(i talk about very big player here). As long as others offer it in the network as operator you win absolutely nothing not offering it.
I posted this to offer you a view from the eyes of an operator. Also you as affiliates should not be at all happy if poker room X from some network prohibit rake back. If someone else in the network offer it there is same risk to loose that player to a rake back site.
From my knowledge the networks not offering rake back at all and with decent traffic are PokerStars, Paradise, RoyalCardroom (and the other network sites) and Poker.com as they mentioned on other thread.Personally I find it damaging for the industry. Affiliates are the way of advertising on the internet; if their earnings are lowered the standard of online poker sites will fall as well. It is simply not liable to work full time for 5% of the players rake. As we can see now loads of pages offering rake-back is appearing every day…it does not require a lot of work to start a rake-back site…but a rake-back site does NOT offer any advertising, content, community of other features. (and that is what the payment is for!!)
The latest trend I have experienced is that major poker forums and poker sites are offering rake-back as well..simply because they have to..nobody uses their links anymore.
We were planning to enter the poker market big time, and are still working on a couple of poker sites, however we are now considering targeting other markets such as sports betting or online casinos.Another thing I cannot understand is how some members of a skin can sit their hands up their a.. while other members of cannibalize on their existing customers.
It even happens in their own chatrooms??? The worst place I know is cryptologic which is crowded with people writing: “GET 25% RAKEBACK AT http://www.xxx.com”
If I was one of the established members of a skin I would go ballistic.The worst place I know is cryptologic which is crowded with people writing: “GET 25% RAKEBACK AT http://www.xxx.com”
That is incredible but what is more incredible is that I have received an affiliate rakeback request at RoyalCardClub for a huge % for the affiliate.
He stated that he can get lots of players as he has a macro that spam party network chatroom and can;t be stopped. And in top of that he was at the time he emailed me only offering rake back at a Party skin. Of course i declined him but this kind of affiliates exists and some of the poker rooms work with themMihai – Its good to know some programs has decided to fight rake-back.. :fencing: .i am sure this will generate decent exposure for your skin in the future. :colgate:
mihai makes a good point about skins that offer it on the same network. Party tries to fight this by not sharing tournaments, but for the ring game player who is a grinder, they have no reason not to jump to a skin that will give them a % thru an affiliate.
The other side of this is something we are starting to see in small doses. Sites, like pokerrewards, are offering their players a % of rake back without punishing the affiliate beyond normal bonus procedures. They are only offering 10%, so the big players aren’t going to convert from the 25 to 30 they can get elsewhere, but if a decent sized site would offer at least 20 I think they could pull some big players. If the program is run by the room instead of an affiliate, it is less likely the player will get screwed.
So much for Fulltilt – next.
Superior Poker offers 20% rake back to its larger players as VIP reward.
This is the way individual skins can retain their players and the theft can be stopped.
I didn’t know Poker Reward did that. I will definitely make room for them when I get back from Miami….
Any Poker room that refuses affiliate generated rake back and offers a VIP reward (which is all rake back really is) will be listed seperately and prominently on my site when I redo my poker.
