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I’m not really sure myself. I too notice some sites with what appears to be over 100 links on a page and seem not to be affected. As I recall he was also working on his meta tags and key wording. It could be as you say, he mistakingly thought it was the number of links themselves.
seoforumz wrote:Hmmm, seems odd. I have seen many sites close to the top of the first page in Google with well over 100 links on the homepage.
QUOTE]It’s links to other sites that may cause problems. Anyway…it will not cause a penelty, just devaluate the link. And some people claim that this was solved in one of the google updates…
Just don’t link to spamsites and such and you will be fine
PokerBoy wrote:It’s links to other sites that may cause problems. Anyway…it will not cause a penelty, just devaluate the link.Yeah I agree it was not the cause of any penalty…that’s why I said “I wonder if it wasn’t something else that caused the penalty and then it was also fixed during the site update?”
Linking to bad neighborhoods or other “marked” spam sites will indeed hurt your rankings and/or cause you to be penalized or banned. That is why there is now a rel=nofollow tag on most blogs and/or places where it would be difficult to monitor and manage outbound links posted by other users.
Duplicate content filters and penalties are also very common, as people are always looking for fresh content to add to their sites.
The most common problem related to penalties or bans has to be hidden text in some form or another. I cannot begin to tel you how many sites I still see with hidden text and other unethical SE strategies in place. When I ask why the text was put there and hidden I usually hear “I was just copying my competitors site that is number one in the search results for my keywords.”
Well don’t copy competitors who do that!! They will not be a the top for long, as these are just temporary rankings until the search engines catch on.
It is a good idea to use your own ideas and content, then you do not have to worry about hidden text (unless you put it there), dup content or other design flaws that can cause less than desirable rankings for a site.
And stay away from Bad Neighborhoods, they will not help you even if they link back to your site 100 times!
FYI, the only reason SE’s say to limit your pages to less than 100 links is because their crawlers usually only spider that many per page before moving on. Same for page size, the less they have to crawl per page, the faster they can crawl your site and index your pages.
General rule of thumb, under 100 links per page, less than 100,000 bytes in size.
Not required, but it helps your rankings if you stick close to the rule.
Appealing to search engines is about a good mix of averages not extremes.
If they limit you to 100 links per page try using 50-75 instead. Same goes for other general limits and guidelines. Averages not extremes! You would also not want to aim for the low end extreme, aim for somewhere in the middle and all should be well for you in search engines. In addition it leaves room for you to add more later as your site grows!
I meant to post this link for others to use to check if your linking to a good neighborhood and that the site you are link to is not penalized.
This tool will scan the links on your website, and on the pages that your website is linking to, and flag possible problem areas. This can greatly ease your seo efforts.
Its called: http://www.bad-neighborhood.com/
seoforumz wrote:I meant to post this link for others to use to check if your linking to a good neighborhood and that the site you are link to is not penalized.Its called: http://www.bad-neighborhood.com/
That’s quite funny. I hope that was meant as a joke :laughcry:
Try running it on a casino affiliate website and you will see that ALL links are bad neighborhoods! hahaha
I just ran the bad-neighborhood link checker…twice here’s the results:
Main url:
100 pages checked
4200 links checked
1040 “Bad” linksLinks url:
100 pages checked……Huh?
3526 links checked
801 “Bad” linksWhat the hell is all this? There were at least 150 Brightshare “bad” links alone!
No explaination just “Bad”
What do think bogus software program or….?
Try it see what you get.:eek:
It’s probably because some of the signature links in those forums are considered questionable based on the criteria this tool uses to search for “bad neighborhoods.” Or maybe the sig links point to other sites that link to questionable sites. Maybe they look for “terms” that are generally considered bad like gambling, porn, casino etc. It didn’t look like ALL the pages to me, but there are certainly quite a few. It is becoming more well known that SE’s do not give as much weight to signature links found on forums anyway, so it may not trip a penalty in SE’s anymore if it is a signature link form a forum or blog.
The tool also checks if links on the site you link to are bad or not, so if I link to you and you link to some “bad neighborhood” sites, it may bring those up when I check my site because I am linked to yours.
For instance I link to DesignDir.net which is a good quality site, however they link to an “Online Pharmacy” type site that trips the tool when I enter in my url. I am not linked to the Pharmacy site, only DesignDir.
So essentially, the tool is checking casino affiliates site, and also sites that casino affiliates links to for bad neighborhood links.
It is not a definite solution by any means, as it is a program. More or less it is supposed to give you an idea or place to start looking for links that may be devaluing your site in SERP’s.
I don’t really think it’s funny, linking to the wrong place can mess up a lot of hard work and effort nearly overnight. It’s better to be paranoid about your links than risk a potential problem IMO, but I am glad you got a laugh anyway.
denpubl wrote:What do think bogus software program or….?It is rather new, and there are not many voiced opinions about it, however like I said above; I think it is meant more as a guideline to point you to potential problem areas in your page links. As with any new tools, hopefully they tested it before launch, but there are bound to be some bugs, that’s why we give feedback. Maybe in an attempt to escape the Sandbox, the programmer released the url to the NET, and didn’t quite fix all the bugs, who knows. It was not posted here to be a definite solution, just to give you an idea of possible “bad” links.
I am not quite sure of all the variables this tool uses to judge bad criteria, so it would be hard to judge without knowing more about that.
I think the main problem here is that it is widely considered true (in other industries) that gambling / casino links are ‘bad neighborhoods’, in general. It seems to me that this tool checks for terms relating to our industry and then just states ‘BAD’ for the link.
So – If this is true, which I suspect, then this is not a great tool for us but it might be if you do affiliate promoting in other industries. I will use it. Just not for casino sites.
kwblue wrote:So – If this is true, which I suspect, then this is not a great tool for us but it might be if you do affiliate promoting in other industries. I will use it. Just not for casino sites.Well said, I agree it appears to have certain “prejudice” against those questionable terms if they appear on your pages and within link anchor text.
This looks similar to a program that someone on seomoz had created. I asked why all of my links came back as bad and they said because gambling sites are considered bad neighborhoods. There is no proof of this of course, just the sentiment that gambling webmasters are “more likely” to spam search engines than other webmasters. So I think these types of programs are basically useless to our industry.
Add to this that it’s generally agreed that linking to unrelated sites no longer helps you in the SERPs and this tool becomes doubly useless for us, since we are required to link with gambling websites to achieve relevancy.
All gambling sites can’t be bad neighborhoods, otherwise the term “online gambling” wouldn’t be bringing up so many gambling websites.
Try running the bad neighborhood program on a site that links to DMOZ….great fun :bouncer:
Ok, I just updated bad-neighborhood.com. Now there is a checkbox you can uncheck if you do not want to check links for non family-friendly links, filtered out Javascript links, and filtered out links to Google, Yahoo, MSN, and DMOZ.
Also added a routine to check if the url you enter is a probable blog spammer. Let me know how it works for you.
-Michael
