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i agree that RTG would need to do something to protect players
i feel all the time sad if i read again and again posts of players
that they did not get paid, and that a casino just changed their rule for a free chip they received.
But i dont agree to ban all RTG casinos from my site
due
Casinos like InetBet,Club World,Mains Street group, Rushmore
are excellent
and players and affiliates getting paid.
and 2nd is
many players love the RTG games.
All what i do is warn my members over and over again
from specific RTG Casinos, which most of us already know.
like virtual group and more of them.
i try to let players know, that there must be something not ok
if a casino offers you free chip after free chip
or a deposit bonus of 4000% like connect2casino did or still does.No i will not ban the good RTGs.
We earn almost every month with Club World, inetbet and some others
and we got paid each cent yet.The only thing what i dont like
is that the most carry over negatives. :sarcasm:I have nothing against RTG casinos. I always do background check of operators i work with. As said in previous post CWC, Bodog, RushMore are great operators. Payments are on time, players are happy.
I had MC, Platech casinos, which didn’t pay me any money. It’s not just RTG.
Absurd!
RTG still accepts US Players and there are quite a few good operators to choose from. Yes, there are some bums using the software and I wish RTG would get after them to clean up their act, but an across the board boycott of the brand is not needed and would penalize some decent casinos for no fault of their own.
Hi guys,
I couldn’t help but comment on this one, not only because we proudly work with RTG, but because I believe the argument behind your suggestion to boycott all RTG casinos is not only detrimental to the business you benefit from as a whole, but a form of collective punishment that would in no way help anyone.
RealTime Gaming is a software provider, akin to Microsoft, Macromedia or Adobe. They sell their product, and they sell licenses.
If a certain individual uses Windows XP to hack into your computer, are Microsoft responsible for that crime? Or other licensees of that software?In this case, your vigilance is what is needed more than anything. As affiliates, YOU are the individuals who are paid to inform consumers which casinos are legitimate, and which ones aren’t. Boycotting all RTG casinos is just plain foolishness.
I hope no one takes this boycott suggestion seriously.
Those are my two cents.
And once again, Rushmore casino rocks! See you all in Barcelona :santa2:Plus on a more serious note the friday night party at CAP Euro is sponsored by two RTG operators (Rushmore and CWC) so if you boycott all RTG operators how will they won’t be able to pay for all the free drinks!!!
Just blacklist the bad guys. If players google them and find them widely blacklisted, they will stay away.
Banning the good guys makes no sense to me. It will show everyone that no matter how clean you run your shop, you will get blacklisted anyway. So why bother running a clean shop?
Run responsible affiliate sites and explain to your visitors why you recommend only certain RTGs, and you will make much more of a difference. Players who love the software aren’t going to stop playing it because your site carries no RTG. You do them a much bigger favor by seperating the grain from the chaff for them, that way you look out for their welfare.
IMO that is like prohibition, if you ban something people will find it anyway. You failed them because now they have no guidance to help them pick a decent place. You’re sending them into the world of sleeze.
I figured I would not earn much sympathy with this one, but still wanted to get going some discussion about an important matter.
RTG will not change a thing until they are forced to! When comparing the number of legit RTG operators to the number of foul, incompetent, unattractive or simply crooked ones, the playable RTG joints are a slim minority. Considering this, I am now wondering what all the defrauded players and webmasters can do…?
-Nothing!!
RTG removed their dispute service, players and affiliates of closed down operations remain unpaid and nobody is there to help or pay. IF any operator goofes up, as it already happened many times in the past, there is usually no protection for customers at all. Most Microgaming Casinos have Ecogra, Playtech at least “officially” runs their useless “service to mediate”, but RTG itself has nothing and provides even less.
There is NO backup in case anything goes wrong!I am all for protecting the consumer. 99% of the affiliates I know share that view point. As business owners we realize that our commissions and referal fees are generated by the players who frequent our portals and communities.
Without satisifed players we dont earn a living so the last thing any of us wants is to have a player defrauded of their monies.That being said its hardly fair to penalize a whole group of casinos that do their best to provide top notch services to our players simply because there are a few bad apples using the same software.
I personally think a more valid approach to protecting players is by SUPPORTING good casinos and doing our best to let players know about those venues.
Most of us also post warnings about specific operators who are NOT doing a good job.
It’s not a matter of not being sympathetic to your concerns Tribun most of us are sympathetic, but we prefer to reward the good and condem the bad rather then take a blanket approach to the issue.
@RushmoreAffiliateManager 138956 wrote:
Hi guys,
I couldn’t help but comment on this one, not only because we proudly work with RTG, but because I believe the argument behind your suggestion to boycott all RTG casinos is not only detrimental to the business you benefit from as a whole, but a form of collective punishment that would in no way help anyone.
RealTime Gaming is a software provider, akin to Microsoft, Macromedia or Adobe. They sell their product, and they sell licenses.
If a certain individual uses Windows XP to hack into your computer, are Microsoft responsible for that crime? Or other licensees of that software?In this case, your vigilance is what is needed more than anything. As affiliates, YOU are the individuals who are paid to inform consumers which casinos are legitimate, and which ones aren’t. Boycotting all RTG casinos is just plain foolishness.
I hope no one takes this boycott suggestion seriously.
Those are my two cents.
And once again, Rushmore casino rocks! See you all in Barcelona :santa2:Not only is boycotting all RTG’s foolish I don’t think it can it be done with any serious consequences. It’s not like the (news) media where a story instantly reaches millions and a companies sales and reputation can be destroyed overnight.
However, I would imagine that since RTG licenses their software they would pull the license for rogue operators to protect their rep just like lottery comissions do.
The way to go is to get enough players and affiliate to report a rogue casino to RTG directly.
Casinomeister tried it years ago and it caused the rift in GPWA
@Tribun 139005 wrote:
There is NO backup in case anything goes wrong!
The way I see it, I am the backup. I don’t deal with places unless I feel confident that I can settle problems players may run into using my links.
If I don’t feel confident I have a decent way of communicating with the casino, I don’t list it.
I can’t rid the world of shoddy outfits, but I can make sure the players using my site don’t encounter any of them.
Of course there is always the possibility that a good place goes bad, but overall this has worked for my players and therefor for me.
http://www.casinomeister.com/casinos.php
As far as I know Bryan takes the same approach we all do with regards to RTG and supports the good operators while doing his best to warn away players from the bad ones.
I AM THE BACKUP IN MY CASE. i won’t sleep at night feeling i wronged a player …..though the tops I can offer as back up is their original money back in their pocket.
the thing i think you’re missing is …. there’s little back up for any casino using any software ….
its true … MGS has made sure players were paid if one of thier licensees (forgive spelling) … went out of biz.
but that still leaves a ton of ways that a casino can screw a player that under the best of circumstances …. a software licenser cannot police.
example. the casino says the ID proof didn’t arrive legible thru the fax. Going to take months to prove the casino is doing this deliberately.
And that’s what makes us vitally important and as i have said for years …. and many times…. weed your garden!
I appreciate your feelings towards RTG. in many cases they are less than perfect and in fact I only list a couple …. and wonder about them sometimes.
but your approach …. while understandable ….. thinking it might make RTG step up ….. is like asking to condemn a whole race for the actions of …. whether a few or the majority. the fact still remains there are those that are undeserving of such an approach and … IMHO … that must be respected.
I have a few friends who are black. a couple are of age to have seen all the racical bs that went on in the US history. They still choose to have me as a friend though they have every reason to not want anything to do with me. put yourself in that position. is it right to condemn an entire race for the actions of ….. even a majority of them?
no. people are people. casinos will be casinos. assholes come in all colors and apparently software. You just can’t condemn on a whole and be right.
*apologize to anyone I might have offended.
