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Please do a search here on CAP for rake back and rakeback. I can’t possibly answer that without writing 2 or 3 books.
Maybe then you will have some more targeted questions….
hehe ty
I tend to think as I write.. therefor, before I think of the search.. the post is sent 
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Bear in mind also that rakeback in itself is a very competitive aspect of this industry, and if a player is wanting rakeback, 9 times out of 10 he is wanting the best rate possible. Established sites are able to offer a higher percentage than a beginner could, as they’re usually generating 30k+ in MGR.
To be honest, I’d recommend against doing rakeback as it’s hard enough to break into the poker industry, let alone the rakeback part of it. It also requires a lot more administrative work IMO. I’m not anti-rakeback or anything, and one of my sites I have rakeback offered on it, but just think it’s an aspect of the industry you should stay away from when first starting out.
I’ve all but given up on poker because of the rake back situation and then add to that the fact that most poker rooms make the casino side of this industry look like angels that could do no wrong and you have my attitide towards the whole thing.
heck just try and find enough decent poker rooms with all the ingredients needed to be worthy of promoting and I say to you good luck!
an honest program
enough players – a huge obstacle
doesn’t allow a rake back – is there anybody out there left?
hasn’t added some kind of bullshit term where you have to send a quota of players in a set time limit or you forfeit the players you already have signed with that program (in good faith mind you that they would stand by their word and pay lifetime commission) cough=partypokerand that doesn’t have some kind of aura where a growing number of people suspect that the Random Number Generator isn’t quite as random as its suppose to be; favoring the weaker player thus causing an abnormal amount of bad beats. cough=partypoker again.
whether the above is true or not; enough people are talking about it. I know I can win other places but cannot at PP, and since I only play premium hands I expect to get my share and more of bad beats … but at PP its rediculous.
so even if PP were to change all their “less than aff friendly” terms … well lets put it this way.. I’ve begun pulling them down for the combination of the above but the bad beat problem alone is enough to scare me away.
And don’t even get me started on the rake back situation with PP. Do they or don’t they? they can’t even seem to answer that … truthfully anyway.
Then there was pacific poker, (I think, I get it mixed up with a couple others) but I am pretty sure it was pacific that had the guy who’s account was hacked into and he contacted the poker room telling them to freeze the account and then long story short is the hacker re-entered and proceded to lose the other half of the guy’s $3k, which the poker room never accepted responsibility for ……
geez. and these are suppose to be professional places that want me to sign my name next to? forget it!
Its truly a shame that a game that has grown so much in popularity has had to be tainted so heavily with so many bad elements from so many different directions.
I suspect time will come when poker isn’t any longer as popular as it now is enjoying and IMHO the rake back sites though they have made their money, will in the end be the tool of their own demise. … at least in respect to what they enjoyed in their “glory days”.
the question then becomes was it worth it? I cannot answer that though right now I’m certain they would say yes. Ask them again in 2 or 3 years after the rush has past and they are making about 1/3 of what they could have been making if they’d not decided to cut everyone’s throat… including their own.
Thank you bb1! Your name has become one of the names that gets me to open topics! Always useful and informative!
bb1webs wrote:and that doesn’t have some kind of aura where a growing number of people suspect that the Random Number Generator isn’t quite as random as its suppose to be; favoring the weaker player thus causing an abnormal amount of bad beats. cough=partypoker again.whether the above is true or not; enough people are talking about it. I know I can win other places but cannot at PP, and since I only play premium hands I expect to get my share and more of bad beats … but at PP its rediculous.
.Sorry but this is just plain wrong to single out Party and say that the RNG favours weaker players. What statistics do you have to back up this fact and claim that the amount of bad beats you get is “rediculous”, and allude to it being paying off the bad players? Because there have been numerous done on the contrary, to prove that the RNGs for not just Party Poker, but many other sites are 100% fair. I have over 800,000 hands at Party Poker myself, and there is nothing abnormal about my statistics. This kind of comment is usually made by losing, break-even or barely winning players, who get frustrated at not being able to beat the “fish”, and blame it on the RNG. You’ll also hear this statement at pretty much any poker room you play at, and also on pretty much every internet poker forum, discussing any poker room, not just Party Poker. It’s just plain wrong.
You’re right, you may get more bad beats in normal at Party Poker, but that is due to the higher variance due to the worse players. If you have any statistical analyses to backup your statement then I’d like to see them, but I highly doubt you do.I don’t believe that he claimed to have statistics on the matter, rather he was just stating that there are rumors (which I believe he COULD provide proof of) that it’s true, and that he personally (also could provide proof) has had an abnormal amount of bad beats at PP. Nowhere did he claim it was a fact.
bb1webs wrote:I’ve all but given up on poker because of the rake back situation and then add to that the fact that most poker rooms make the casino side of this industry look like angels that could do no wrong and you have my attitide towards the whole thing.Its truly a shame that a game that has grown so much in popularity has had to be tainted so heavily with so many bad elements from so many different directions.
I am starting to agree with this. I am now looking for places that have some staying power.
I have been approached for deals by some places that I thought had decent names and would be honest and found them to be either flakey or misrepresenting things.
You have to keep in mind – rakeback attracts a percentage of the larger players, the type for whom the rakeback actually produced a decent return, but still small enough to care about this much. These are the sharks, with some small to medium whales thrown in who poop out soon enough.
The fishes come from non rakeback affiliates. They are both smaller players and larger whales.
Poker rooms need both to stay attractive.
I have no intentions of joining the rakeback crowd, scavenging for players, telling them they will benefit from something if they don’t, and dealing with being thrown in one pot with fly by night affiliates who promise the sky and then disappear without paying off.
Poker has attracted a criminal element.
I want nothing to do with that, not even remotely.
So, how do you promote it? At this time, I only provide a poker section as a service for my visitors. I have not found one single poker outfit yet where I can say yes, these are ethical people and yes, I can make a profit here and yes, my players are retained and not stolen.
I am still looking for someone I would be proud to endorse.
mwack wrote:I don’t believe that he claimed to have statistics on the matter, rather he was just stating that there are rumors (which I believe he COULD provide proof of) that it’s true, and that he personally (also could provide proof) has had an abnormal amount of bad beats at PP. Nowhere did he claim it was a fact.It’s tomatoe, tomato. If he, or anyone, is going to make statements that the RNG is corrupt, or that there is an abnormal amount of bad beats or rewards to the fish, they should be backing up these statements with actual facts, that prove this theory. Otherwise, it just comes off as another fish whining about not being able to beat the bad players, and using the “rng is rigged” claim as an excuse. I don’t mean to sound harsh, but I see this stuff all the time on poker forums, and to see it on a board like this, with lots of new affiliates wanting to break into the industry etc. really frustrates me.
If I were to come in and say “I don’t promote any Microgaming sites. They’re all rigged against you” I should be expected to back up that statement yes? It’s the same thing here, especially because we’re talking about a CAP-Approved Affiliate. By making these claims about Party, it also reflects badly on CAP.
DealerDan wrote:If I were to come in and say “I don’t promote any Microgaming sites. They’re all rigged against you” I should be expected to back up that statement yes?Rumor. I don’t promote Microgaming sites because there is a rumor that they are all rigged against you.
There is a big difference between stating something as a rumor or a fact. Most people do know that rumors are just rumors. This industry is always rife with rumors of all descritions, both on the affiliate and player end, and even among affiliate programs.
This board is an open forum where people can discuss and give opinions freely. If his opinion hurts your feelings or frustrates you Dealer Dan, well sorry about your luck. Frankly, I have been playing poker for years and when I get quads 4 times in one night and see aces or kings flop at a 4 to 1 ratio in comparison to a 3 being flopped, then something is a miss. I could play for years in a land casino and not see quads even once. Frankly, I have some of the same feelings as BB1 on this and I feel entitled to express it as I wish. I just think its niave to give so much credence on a bs rng report published by some third party who in my opinion never gives out bad reports. These are billion dollar companies with deep deep pockets and dont you think it’s a little niave to think they cant get what they want from any reporting agency. You act like these reports are the gospel and there is no way there is anything malicious going on with these billion dollar companies who could easily get what ever, and I mean what ever they want on a report. Remember, money is the root of all evil. Now, I tend to agree with you that many of the bad beats come from bad players that shouldnt even be in the hand. However, the other things I mentioned above (and thats just a few) just dont make sense. The numbers dont jive. Theres not that many aces in the deck, and I bet the odds of getting quads 4 times in one night are greater than hitting the powerball for 200 million. So we can respectfully disagree on this, but dont tell the guy he is not entitle to his opinion. These are just our opinions, thats all. This is just what my gut tells me when I am playing. And I am certainly not saying that all poker RNG-s are rigged, but I am suspect for a select few that I used to play at. Now I could understand it the Proff comes in here and says this is not the place for this kind of talk, it belongs in another forum for poker players, but after reading your post, I would be remissed if I didnt speak my peace like you did.
Edit: Actually, I don’t want to start some big feud or debate
Not worth the energy.ok everyone, lets take it easy here or I’ll have to move this to the free for all section, where any confrontational discussions have a place.
But this thread is about Rakeback, and how it affects Poker and it’s marketing, and it is an interesting topic we have not addressed in some time, so I personally would like to see it discussed.
That said, everyone is entitled to their opinions and to expressing them here, everyone.
We don’t like people coming in making unsubstantiated claims that something is a fact. Facts need to be proven first.
Opinions – the more the merrier. If they turn into arguments – fine too, we have a section for that.
So, maybe we can return to the topic at hand. If not, I’ll move the thread.
I agree Dan, I wasn’t trying to start some fued or anything like that. And Im sure we could debate for hours on this topic. I too would rather work on generating traffic and new players instead of debating on something that doesnt make me any money. Good luck.
I edited out my last response because I didn’t want this to turn into some kind of flame war or big argument. The time and energy wasted on it is something that could be put to better use
I would just like to point out though, that as affiliates who promote these gambling websites, we should always try and backup any statements, positive or negative, that we make about them. I feel it is only fair to ourselves, to the gambling sites that we are affiliated with, and most importantly, to our website visitors, or to whomever we are marketing towards.
