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Hi there
Nice site.
I wanted to do a deal with cake. I notice they pay the player 33%. What do they offer the affiliate? Thanks man!
Danny
Hi all,
I’m sorry but i despise rakeback schemes. what if that were done with casinos. where is the cut-off line?
we literally cut our own throats with rake back schemes and I strongly suggest anyone considering this….. to remember you’re only lowering the profit schedule for all of us.
yes you may make money now. what happens when the next guy offers a bigger rake back?
its rediculous thinking.
I second that.
I agree with both of you but it will never go away. Somebody will always offer it. I don’t see how there is anyway around it. Might as well get your peice of the exisiting market.
So then Dan, should we begin offering a kickback on casino income as well?
what should be done is enough affs start to threaten to blacklist aff programs that allow rakeback ….. to be blacklisted. ….. it will all stop.
It has shrunk a lot. Thank god. Poker would be dead by now if some programs had not started to do the right thing.
Hi again all,
I totally agree Dom.
Consider. if we all were to accept the added predatory terms which many casinos have tried over the years to push on us … its no different than accepting the rakeback scheme and saying ….. I’ll take what you’ll give me.
Its rediculous to say …. might as well get what we can …..
I’m sorry Dan. I respect you but your view on the rakeback situation is far off balance for obvious reason.
Yes its true the rakeback scheme is out of control and widely accepted. But how many of the poker rooms are offering and extra incentive for your taking a lesser amount of income for offering such a kickback?
this has happened because enough affs didn’t fight it in the start. adding to the problem is like saying well the house is on fire … might as well throw some gas on it. The logic is not there.
See the bigger picture. Fight for your compensation….. don’t accept less because the next guy is stupid enough to do so.
yes I said stupid. whoever started this rakeback thing was as ignorant as someone who sells hotdogs for a penny profit when everybody else was selling them for a $1. it forced the others to cut back or get out. Most got out. that’s a sad matter and exactly why I don’t promote the majority of poker rooms. those that are still in it may think they’re smart …. but they don’t see the dollar for the dime in front of them and are seemingly willing to accept that while the poker rooms still set back and make their very nice profit while those willing to offer rakeback struggle with figuring out who has what coming back to them each month …. and living on the difference.
I cannot think of a more ignorant approach to affiliate marketing and Thank God it hasn’t happened to the casino end of things. And if it ever does …… I hope the affs band together and do all they can to burn these morons to the ground that attempt such an approach.
I don’t apologize for my bluntness. it is deserved. and before you are ready to condemn me for my pov……… stop and figure out how much money you’d have made had you chosen an honorable approach to this matter.
and don’t tell me rakeback is honorable. just because everybody is doing it doesn’t make it any more right than any other approach that cheats fair-minded affs out of their deserved earnings because someone found a way to be more affordable to the public. at some point ……. simple logic tells us that it cuts the very throats of those that make a living selling such a product.
the only reason this is continued is because most affs have chosen not to fight it and concentrate on casino marketing.
If we can stop making the comparsion between CASINO and POKER on this issue, we can get somewhere. Rake is a FEE that is associated with playing poker. They are not getting back money they lost. There would be no way to do it with Casino. The player would start to feel there is something wrong if you offered him his money back, or part of it.
As for rakeback, yes I agree with you guys. YES YES YES.
Keep in mind one thing…..when you offer rakeback, your player usually plays 3x more then normal. Those rakeback guys are making much more money on a per player basis then a normal affiliate is.
I know that the rakeback market is not growing out of control but those who know about it and have used it would never play poker any other way.
It is out of control, yes, but do you get your peice of it while you can or do you go against it and lose out of what could be a steady market?
Dan
Here here on the rakeback front. As affiliates its coming straight out of our own pockets. :plain:
Rake back sucks and I agree with bb1webs. All the “normal” affiliates should get together and fight it. If the affiliate programs refuse to do something about the problem, we should remove their brands from our sites.
Yesterday I was contacted by a CAP certified poker room. They told me that I could receive up to 35% as an normal affiliate. If I would offer rakeback I would get 50%…
WTF? :dafingers
Poker rooms LOVES rake back affiliates!
Why?
The affiliates pay the “promotions” and not the poker room themselves… :bullshit:
Hi all,
thank you to those that support. my arguement is sound. the other is idiotic and i do not apologize for this statement.
it is literally cutting our own throats. and more so … actually embracing the cut-throat approach by some affs because ….. “everybody’s doing it”.
that is the stupidest arguement i have ever heard and I’m sorry if I offend long time friends but its the truth.
there is no difference in poker and casino kickbacks. the arguement is so ignorant that it offends my intelligence that it is even mentioned.
it is still a matter of money leaving the player .. and either landing in the hands of the afff or the back into the hands of the player. get real!!!
BTW: I hasten to add: the day will come when someone undercuts you. probably will be an aff website (rakeback) that is really created by the very aff program you so willingly were were ready to undercut your peers ….. and you won’t be able to compete.
yes its true there will be those too lazy or unwilling to change their signups …… same as that is the reason i still make money … and many others ……. because our signups are not interested in saving the $60 or whatever ….. to choose ot sign up at another website under another name ……. so yes ….. we still make money.
but I fully believe that this is the minority. the bigger player will of course choose the best rakeback offer. so where is the cut-off line? can you seriously say you can compete with the very poker room you promote …… that I remind you pays you the extra commission you make on your rakeback scheme ……
see the big picture and stop seeing the trees hiding the forest behind them. time will prove my statements are correct. and if you ever stop and really ……. truly consider what i’m saying …… somewhere inside you is going to be a voice saying ….. he’s right. We’re cutting our own throat.
but ther are going to be those that can’t have the wisdom, foresight and intelligence to see this for the long run. but you will get your due and likely much more in spades than those of us who recognized the problem early and got out.
but its not revenge or being proven right that I’m after because i’m in this as a business. I’m begging you now …. while its already nearly too late …… but not completely …… to see the forest and not the trees …..
I have all but gotten out of this but felt it worth one last try to to show people the wisdom of long-term thinking. the revenge part of it won’t com from me but rather when you too ……. are undercut to such a point you can’t show profit from an industry that had not rakeback been allowed ……. would have been a very profitable and worthy niche in the gambling world.
I beg you think about the wisdom spoken and not the spite you may feel for my pointing out the obvious.
