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Little confused what you are trying to say?
Are you saying networks pay you the same each month regardless to what you produce , or saying there are only six top earners for all networks?
This is a very interesting topic. I think it happens on all levels, and more than a few programs.
There are some programs where newbies automatically make nothing until they have been there for some 3 to 6 months or more, then they slowly start making some money – like a couple hundred.
Not all newbies are going to fall into a pattern like that, it is not natural. Newbies attract the occasional player too. Sometimes there are teasers, like $20 or some silly stuff.
I believe that some programs take the players these newbies bring in and pad the accounts of seniors when needed.
With other words, I believe that there are programs that will have certain payment schedules for certain affiliates, and they will move players to achieve this.
I find my income jumping around quite a bit with some programs – these obviously do not have me in any category. I find some will not let me slip below a certain number ( I suppose to keep exposure at a certain level) but let me earn more as I go.
I think the lowest and the highest income levels are the most fixed. Affiliates in between are allowed a bit more freedom of movement.
These programs think that we don’t compare notes, that we don’t reveal actual income to each other, and that therefor this will go undetected.
It may be true that newbies rarely get to exchange such things with the seniors, but they do talk more freely in the first place and we all hear about it.
So – is it immoral? As far as taking from newbies and giving to seniors – definitely.
As far as providing a certain amount of monthly income on a consistent basis to insure continued exposure – I don’t think that is immoral as long as it come from mediabuy money and not the players of others. I also don’t see why it has to be kept secret – it is a spend for a valid reason.
Are you saying networks pay you the same each month regardless to what you produce
Something very much like this IS happening with at least one large group. It’s something I have discussed with a number of other large affiliates and we all saw the same patern. Its very strange…
I think you are right proffessor
it IS happening
My great friend the Professor is 100% correct on this issue. One thing I have notice is that this program is beginning to lower the amount/range as of last month after holding steady since March. Very strange indeed.
I’m hoping that this notion is absolutley false.
It undermines the whole notion of “fair” compensation.
The bottom line is – “All affiliates should be paid what they are owed” regardless of how they perform.
Top performers should get a big bonus.
The rest of us should have faith that all is fair and square and we will be duly compensated.
Any affiliate managers want to comment?
Kevin what do You think the affiliate managers will say?
I am NOT trying to start a range war where affs line up on one side and aff managers line up on the other. I was reporting what a group of larger affiliates have already been discussing.
Luckily it does not appear to be widespread. And the program I saw this problem at doesn’t post here at CAP, so they wont respond.
I brought this up in public area because it’s a valid discussion for even visiting webmasters. I know you analyze your stats very carefully so I think if you are working with a program thats demonstrated this trait you will see it.
Trust me, this wasn’t done to be inflamatory, but to stimulate discussion and let others know that they arent crazy if they already suspected this might be happening…
Hi Prof,
I know what affiliate managers would say (big smile).
Also, I know you were in no means being inflamatory and understand the reasoning for the post.
It is a subject that needs addressing and I think everyone hear has had some ideas about this subject matter so bringing it up in an open forum is a good idea. Two years ago I personally drove myself nuts with statistical anomolies but now get the big picture a little better, I hope…
This is a touchy subject and I too hope it doesnt ruffle any feathers. The last thing anyone should want or need is a “range war”. As long as affs are aware of these potential issues and do what they can to deal with it then at the end of the day everyone keeps on with business as usual.
So…. Thanks for initiating a controversial but helpful subject
Its also my theory and has been for some time that affiliate programs have X amount of dollars budgeted each month to pay toward affiliates commissions. I believe they probably utilize several criteria such as traffic sent and past experience to name a few that determine who will be getting what and who will be “selectively shaved.”
It would be nice to think that everything is fair and that each and every one of us has an equal opportunity, but there are too many enigmas to think otherwise.
Interestingly enough I dropped every single link to one of these programs and some how managed to start making money – that makes no sense!
Now If I could only be selected more – DOH – this post will probably get me unselected from a few more! (Where is that gun?)
Maybe those with 6 figures could send us less fortunate nice xmas gifts this year
Being on the other side of the fence here, I can say that it’s false, at least for us.
I had a webmaster that registered a few weeks ago, and got the largest single comission we sent out in a while, roughly $900 for one week net.
So from what I see, time has nothing to do with performance or how much you will be paid..
From my previous work experience, I never worked so closely with webmasters to say if I could detect a similar pattern as stated above by the prof.
Personally, I am a strong advocate of giving just reward when due. I mean, what’s the point of promoting when you can’t see the result and be paid for them?
That’s just my $0.02 worth.
Hi,
I don’t think its so much a pre-determined amount as it is a cap salary.
I make the same piddly amount at the place your talking about; every month like clockwork. I usually “cap-out” about the middle of the second week.
and yes, when I cut back their exposure I started making more
which is also why I’ve almost completely deleted them from my sites; I have been deleting any of their links as I come along to them.
according to past experience I can only hope to increase my revenue by doing so. :laugh:
What should happen is; is it should be made known to the other programs why the one we’re talking about; is losing it’s affiliates like water thru a screen door on a submarine.
They should also be made aware that the decline was apparent to some of us when the manager we all liked up and quit when he had taken the program to the top of the heap.
And that they can check the timeline themselves; it took less than 2 years for that program to sink well into the ranks of mediocrity and the only reason that program still exists in my opinion; is largely from the residual income produced by players signed back when this program had a lot of affiliates and was at the top of their game.
a newer program that was thought to be cheating in such a manner would not last because they’d not have the player base built up that the afore mentioned enjoys.
On the other hand, good word spreads just as quick as the bad. An honest program that provided players with competent and courteous customer support combined with fast, hassle-free payouts to players could easily take the lead in this industry at the present time; because there is no clear leader (at least in my eyes).
I hasten to add that Casino Rewards is still #1 in my book, but like everyone else; I’m always in search of something that might perform better.
Which program are you discussing?
I’m wondering the same.
Which program are you discussing?
Rather then single out a program I brought this up to discuss the phenomena itself. Let’s try to stick to that rather then point any fingers just yet.
Fair enough Prof, but we can’t help but be curious. I can appreciate the value of ‘if the hat fits, wear it’ type of approach too.
