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We are waiting to get a final word from FTP themselves and see what the deal really is. I am not sure if they are going to actually enforce this new term (I would hope not) and as you can see there is plenty of discussion happening over this now…
gregpowell;153707 wrote:We are waiting to get a final word from FTP themselves and see what the deal really is. I am not sure if they are going to actually enforce this new term (I would hope not) and as you can see there is plenty of discussion happening over this now…I posted a statement about that term over a year ago on your site Greg. It was dismissed. Fair enough, but if they are going to report a dormant term, it is easy to assume they are ready to use it. Since late january I noticed something going astray with my stats, so this is no surprise. Its not about enforcing a term, its about removing it completely. FT have already skinned affiliates to the bone. They were already worthy candidates for being dropped even before this. You are in a position to affect the outcome for affiliates. Again dominique, divide and conquer. They have set their standards, no one ever challenges because we have the few earners who make more when crap like this gets added… Reality check. you will be next & this is the nearest attempt they have made. How long before their advertizing, paid by our cost cutting makes you redundant?
I used to work for a company – they had us on 4 different level of pay – it was turned into a hiearchy.
Cost cutting went on a voting process. It wasnt packaged as cost cutting it was to our benefit, ie we give you an extra $2000 in your wage as a bonus. You lose two of your annual hollidays for life. the $2000 was staggered. The higher ranked got the most but they had more pull. They convinced their workmates to get screwed over. Next came the break times, then the holiday pay. The newcomers got screwed because their sick pay was voted out for 2 years and they collected statutory.
Personally I voted against all of it. I didnt want the extra cash in my hand although it would have been quite nice at the time. I knew we were getting screwed over. That moved on to it is now. They now have non english speaking immigrants working in the royal mail sorting your letters, just because they can get cheap labour. Wages have went down, theft has went up. I was working with a couple of people for the day. I spent all my time telling them where to put the mail then lifgting it out & doing it myself because they didnt understand and couldnt give a shit either way.
I can relate this to Full Tilt, CaP, PAP and absolute poker. Steady downhill spiral because of a ME ME ME attitude.
You will be glad to hear that is my last post on the subject. And yes, I am ponting fingers.
@SusanAndMark 153717 wrote:
I can relate this to Full Tilt, CaP, PAP and absolute poker. Steady downhill spiral because of a ME ME ME attitude.
You have made a handful of posts. You accuse CAP, PAP, and all of the people here of being selfish and say to corpfan
Self centred affiliates are the reason the sites get away with murder. you are just another groupie
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Somehow I think you haven’t read CAP. I have been reading it for 6 years and I can tell you that CAP has fixed more problems with aff programs than you can shake a stick at.
This thread was about a current problem with Full Tilt and you have turned it into a platform for you to accuse other affiliates of not being cohesive and derailed the second thread on the topic.
I really should just ignore you, but your attitude irks me because I have put some 6 years into keeping the gaming affiliate industry a level playing field.
Affiliates do not now nor will they ever agree on everything. Affiliates are a bunch of smart, enterprising, hard working, competitive and innovating individuals, not a flock of sheep. They have their own opinions and ways to make things work.
Nevertheless, we come together here and at PAP to make sure that the playing field is level, to help each other out, to expose problems such as the current one with Full Tilt and to fix things that have gone awry. If it wasn’t for us, PAP, Affiliate Guard Dog, APCW and GPWA there would be no properly executed contracts between affs and programs at all, terms would change at will. We have intervened in such situations countless times.
You are way, way off base with your generalized accusations.
That said, I do understand what you are saying about some affiliates being made to feel “special” and “invulnerable” by certain programs and as such they tend to overlook the problems with their contracts. There are programs that try to coast on this, coddle a few and exploit the rest. Falling for these promises tends to come back to haunt such affiliates with regularity, Cpays was a perfect example of this.
What we can do is be vigilant, bring any irregularities out into the open and attempt to fix them. More often than not these things can be fixed and they are fixed. I can think of few programs that haven’t been in hot water at one time or another over the years. Most all of the problems can be and have been fixed.
The affiliate community is doing an excellent job of supporting each other and of keeping this an industry one can work in with the confidence that hard work will pay off. Many of us go out of their way to help newbies gain foot hold. I have never seen such a phenomena – an extremely competitive industry that actually helps newcomers to make a place for themselves. I am damn proud to be here.
That out of the way, perhaps now we can actually talk about what we should do about Full Tilt? Keep this thread professional and have Full Tilt come and talk to us and fix things.
This term as bad. However it seems a lot less drastic to me than a lot of the other terms we have seen recently.
You know I wish Wagershare for instance had a flippin cookie to begin with!! They use session tracking. So everyone you send there and leaves after five minutes without downloading or signing up straight away is gone forever. There aren’t that many programs out there that use a two month cookie as it is so surely all those programs would be worse then?
I do understand though that it’s probably not the proposition of the term itself that is causing the stir but the retroactive enforcement in all likelihood.Nevertheless, we come together here and at PAP to make sure that the playing field is level, to help each other out, to expose problems such as the current one with Full Tilt and to fix things that have gone awry. If it wasn’t for us, PAP, Affiliate Guard Dog, APCW and GPWA there would be no properly executed contracts between affs and programs at all, terms would change at will. We have intervened in such situations countless times.
True dat!!
Anway thanks for the heads up on this issue Dom, I am going to be joining PAP here really soon and start working on poker more so this helps me decide on 1 less program to sign up with.
@Goldfinger 153750 wrote:
This term as bad. However it seems a lot less drastic to me than a lot of the other terms we have seen recently.
You know I wish Wagershare for instance had a flippin cookie to begin with!! They use session tracking. So everyone you send there and leaves after five minutes without downloading or signing up straight away is gone forever. There aren’t that many programs out there that use a two month cookie as it is so surely all those programs would be worse then?
I do understand though that it’s probably not the proposition of the term itself that is causing the stir but the retroactive enforcement in all likelihood.Its not a cookie , it is players downloading and then signing up , and creating an account , but not depositing yet .
A cookie is one thing but a registration is another
I really don’t care about that.
I had some players, they deposit immediately after registration, but only in order to join the $5000 First Time Freeroll, no rakes.
The other make their deposit later, but make me some money.
For me only important lifetime RVS
Sorry for the distraction from the Peanut Gallery. BozoandClarabell er SusanandMark have been banned from the community. Its a pitty people pull these pathetic pearl harbor attacks on holidays weekends. Guess its a sign of frustration about their failure and lack of relevence in the world that they just HAVE to attack honest people who actually work in this industry.
The clowns have been sent back to their tent.
LaurelandHardy were asking for it. They got off to a very bad start in that free for all thread. The “immigrant bashing/the world is unjust whining” was just the icing on the cake. :hattip:
Just an update…
FT has decided to enforce these predatory terms.
They have sited increases in technology capability to be able to do this as the reason as well as the legal team pressuring them to enforce terms in their T&Cs. Instead of simply removing the stupid stuff – they have chosen to please the legal team by enforcing it.
This will undoubtedly have a drastic effect on the affiliate-business relationship at Full Tilt Poker.
