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For an affiliate account to be considered “active”, it must have generated new, paying customers for Casino Coins’ sponsors within the previous 90 days.
If an affiliate account does not meet the above requirement, a Casino Coins Personal Account Manager will contact that affiliate and partner with them to develop an action plan to improve performance.
If an affiliate does not agree to an action plan and no longer continues to promote casino coins associated casino properties the affiliate will be deemed inactive and the affiliate the agreement terminated
Can someone from Casino Coins please explain these predatory terms? How long have these terms been in place?
Most affiliate partners offer lifetime residual income without minimum player referral requirements. Why don’t you do this too? :tooconfus
Does that mean CC will stop paying on players sent if someone lapses?
Before things get out of hand, these tems and condtions are very open and have been on the Casino Coins site from March 2006 when I took over.
1. All you have to do is bring in 1 new player in 90 days. That is 4 players in a year to keep us out of your hair. If you have a web site and promote casinos on it and work even as a part time affiliate this condition can easily be met. If you can’t acheive 4 players in a year because you can only deliver 3 or 2 or 1 see below.
2. So you go 90 days without brining in a player… That means you get a call from me and we talk about why you either are no longer promoting us or what we can do to use the space you are promoting us in to generate players. There are plenty of people that I am in contact with on a daily basis that I have helped to make more money in the limited space that they promote us in.
3. All you have to do continue receiving comissions from us is execute what we agree upon and show that you are making an effort to keep your promotions up to date and that you are working with us.
Casino Coins has been around since 1999 (one of the first) and we haven’t messed with anyone’s comissions. Some payments are held but for those who have had their payments held some simple banner changes on sites and some clicks resulted in released payments, without new players
Most affiliates, especially with the state of affairs as it is in the US, are going to respond angrily about this, especially since I didn’t send out a newsletter in March informing you. (which would have been an incredibly difficult way to start off as a new aff manager by the way) The point is if you didn’t find out about the policy change it didn’t apply to you. Even those that have been called in regards to this policy, quite a few affilaites, have not posted about it on CAP in the past because the end result of working with me has been benifical to both Coins and the Affiliate.
I am of the belief that you are owed commission becasue our casinos made money. You should be paid that commision. However, if you don’t want to work with us anymore by taking down all of our banners and links not responding to emails or phone calls and going in a differnt direction, you are terminating our agreement to be partners.
Please contact me directly if you have issues. I am always available and numerous affiliates out there will tell you exactly that.
Jared Palmer
jpalmer@casinocoins.com
Casino Coins Affiliate Program Manager416 516 7879 ext 396
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Too bad.
Some payments are held but for those who have had their payments held some simple banner changes on sites and some clicks resulted in released payments, without new players
Kind of like your boss holding back your paycheck to make sure you show up the following week.
I know I don’t have the greatest site compared to many of those on CAP, but I’ve got to say I’ve been promoting CasinoCoins since March of 2004 and never earned a cent. One would think just by a lucky happenstance I’d get a depositing player.
That being said, some programs I promote even less have yielded results with a fraction of the effort.
Imho, I think the way to get more conversions is to improve your program, not by forcing affiliates to try harder.
Jared,
What some programs seem to find hard to grasp is that these contracts are not about personalities or beliefs. It doesn’t matter if you are the most honest and fair and lenient person in the business. What matters is what’s in black and white. The fact that you changed the terms and conditions without notification because you wanted to avoid a scene indicates you knew what you were doing was wrong. And while I agree the way you’re handling it seems fair, that’s not the issue. You will not be there for a ‘lifetime’. Your replacement may not agree with the way you did things. If we don’t contest this, what’s to stop him from changing it again? Nothing.
This is not about who’s a bad guy or a fair guy or an honest guy. This is about a contract; an agreement between two parties that can not be changed at the whim of either party.
This is the second change in terms and conditions brought to our attention (ty Dave) by programs that affiliates really like and respect. So what happens when one of the companies that are not as highly thought of does the same thing? If we let two programs do it, how can we now demand the third less reputable company change back? We’ve set a precedence.
This is not something that can be negotiated. Change it back, retro it, whatever, but make it right. :terms:
I just started making money with these guys too!
Oh well – casinos will be removed from all my sites within one week. Sorry – but these T&C’s are just plain bullshit.
With the things happening in this industry as of late I would suggest you think about changing those terms, you and I both know your exposure has most likely double since the law went through. You have webmasters all over promoting again me being one of them and we are giving you good exposure, that will end today btw. Just think about ALL the other webmasters getting as pissed as I am and yanking you, how cost effective are your predatory terms now Maverick?:flush:
Well I added a few banners last week, it’ll take all of 3 minutes for me to remove them today.
I am just gald I didn’t get in to deep with your program!
pdjoe wrote:Well I added a few banners last week, it’ll take all of 3 minutes for me to remove them today.This is the point of the T and Cs.. They state all you have to do is work with your affiliate manager to get your commission. The T and C’s state, if you can’t take 3 minutes to work with your aff manager to change out a banner to try and get a new player, or that you don’t want to have anything to do with us, you are terminating your partnership agreement.
If you haven’t delivered 1 new player in 90 days you don’t forfit your commissions. You just get a call from me. If at that point you don’t want to work with us in any way the partnership is resloved. If you change a couple of banners that are already dedicated to casino coins, or change our review that hasn’t been updated in a year then every thing is cool.
These terms have made money for Affiliates and in fact have always been the terms. The only thing that is changed is if you do not want to work with us anymore by completely ignoring us or not promoting us you don’t get your commissions.
In any sales job if you quit the company you work for you will no longer receive commissions on your sales. We are asking that you keep in touch, you try and remain current and hopefully bring in a new customer once every quarter to maintain our relationship, but remaining current is enough. If you do not want to try and do this you are quitting Casino Coins.
I appreciate everyone who promotes us. I have worked my ass off to revitalize english harbour for 2 years. To help develop games and creatives that make you money. If I quit, I won’t get a single bit more commission.
Thank you all, if you want to make money with me I am availble every day to do so.
Jared
The problem here, Maverick, is that you NEVER would have had those players WITHOUT the affiliate. This is why the commission continues.
The commission on players that WERE ALREADY SENT TO YOU should not be up for negotiation. It’s quite ridiculous that you are saying you will take away our commission for a job we already performed.
Nice way to get new affiliates. How would YOU take that? When there are SO many other programs that do NOT have predatory terms.
I know my decision – and I think you are going to see that from quite a few people. I haven’t promoted you guys heavily ever – and was just starting to, but that has ended. All casinos officially removed.
Let me know when your T&C’s change – I may reconsider.
hey this is getting out of hands. How long before everyone add this to their T&C´s? This industry is getting colder each day.
Maverick@CCoins wrote:In any sales job if you quit the company you work for you will no longer receive commissions on your sales. We are asking that you keep in touch, you try and remain current and hopefully bring in a new customer once every quarter to maintain our relationship, but remaining current is enough. If you do not want to try and do this you are quitting Casino Coins.Jared
We don’t work for Casino Coins, we are all independent contractors and we
expect those who we CONTRACT a job with to pay us for our job as agreed upon. I could just see the reaction on the guys face building my house when I change the terms in the middle of the job and tell him instead of requiring the house be completed in 6 months as agreed upon, I now require it to be done next week. Oh, and did I mention if you can’t get this done, you will not be paid. And by the way, I will keep the house. Same exact scenario here, owner of house being built=affiliate program, house=players, sub contractor=affiliates.I take it the honcho making this decision is not all that good in math. Any money you guys save because of this term will be negated X10 by the existing affiliate business you will lose. How can someone think that is a smart business decision? You guys are walking over $100 bills to pick up pennies.
I get a kick how these programs try to justify this horseshit. They want to continue making money on our referrals, while us affiliates, the ones who originally brought the money through the door are left holding our d-ck in our hand. Paint the picture anyway you want, its not right and is not good business.
Regardless if I never brought another player through the door, if a casino is profiting from that player, so should the affiliate as per the terms of the contract. Man, you guys wouldn’t even have the player if it wasn’t for us affiliates who work 12 hour days in hopes to build a residual income like we expect. Yet, a few programs are trying to cut every corner they can to have the upper hand in every aspect. Shit, its all found money to you guys, yet the GREED factor still comes into play. It’s absolutely unbelievable that affiliates have to be consumed with this garbage, we have enough on our plate as it is trying to adapt to this new law and keep our business moving in a positive direction, let alone having to deal with programs pulling our every stop in the book.
GREED is the only reason for this garbage and nothing more!!!
Very well said Bonusgeek!
Jared I will be the first to say that yes you have done a wonderful job turning this place around, I have noticed the change, what a shame that it will be all for nothing because of this rule.
