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This has been going on for well over a year. I am curious what steps the poker rooms are planning to combat this or if that is feasible without disrupting game play too much for the real players.
The type of collusion described in that article would be easy to detect, I think, especially if the robots were playing multiple seats and making decisions based on their knowledge of the other robots’ hands.
I’ve also read one case where a person had designed his own “pokertracker” type software to track his opponents’ play, at the poker room software detected it and he had his account with the poker room shut down.
We’re probably looking at an “arms race” of sorts between hackers and poker rooms.
I spoke to someone recently who swore he was earning several thousand dollars a week with Poker Bots. Claimed he had six dedicated PCs running at peak hours playing Texas Holdem at several of the larger poker rooms.
Yea I think you can get away with playing a bot on your own, but once you have 3 or 4 accounts and they’re all playing the same tables day after day……………thats a pretty big red flag. I would be interested to know with all the maniac players out there how effective a bot actually is anyways.
Likewise how good can the AI really be to spot others betting patterns, etc. Sure you can program a bot to play tight and only bet premium hands, but that’s only half the battle in online poker. Betting patterns is huge.
Doesn’t anyone have a brain anymore?
Why is it people can’t come up with new and innovative ideas to earn money ethically and honestly?
Instead .. it seems everyday someone comes up with another new scam to steal something, or some new idea to rip people off. And these dregs of humanity find satisfaction in this?
Sad commentary on what seems to have become SOP in the business world. .. :flush:
It all gets so tiresome!
Well, it is new and innovative…just not ethical or honest…
I’m not sure how much of a problem this really is. I play mostly low level no limit holdem, in the ring games, and I haven’t seen anything yet that made me think I was playing a robot or a team of robots. And with the betting structure of no limit being what it is, it would tend to make a robotic player pretty predictable and easy to catch.
The limit tables, on the other hand, are potentially a whole other story.
As a player I would not like to know that I may be playing against machines. I think a lot of people would not like it either. I think one issue that concerns a lot of people and sometimes keep them out of online gambling is not seeing what is really happening on the other side of the computer. knowing that they’re playing poker against a machine would not help for sure.
LasVegasLady wrote:Doesn’t anyone have a brain anymore?Why is it people can’t come up with new and innovative ideas to earn money ethically and honestly?
Instead .. it seems everyday someone comes up with another new scam to steal something, or some new idea to rip people off. And these dregs of humanity find satisfaction in this?
Sad commentary on what seems to have become SOP in the business world. .. :flush:
It all gets so tiresome!
My exact sentiment, word for word.
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Hi again,
well regardless of the stakes, be they nl, pl or fixed; if you’re sitting down at at table where there’s only yourself, and one other person playing 8 or 9 seats; YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE.
I don’t see any way around it.
as for how bad things are? I have either been on a losing streak or else something is going wrong; and I haven’t changed my play; if anything I’ve become even more conservative; which seldom is a bad thing.
for example; a couple of weeks ago I cashed out $2k at party, and this week I’ve not even managed to break even.
Its too the point I have begun playing other places (at lower limits since most other places don’t have the higher stakes to which I have become accustomed), and that in itself says a lot in my book simply because I know what I am capable of; and I’m also realistic about my expectations, yet still with all that said; I have been given such strong reason to play elsewhere that its really a no-brainer.
Some people will say that I should expect to lose more at higher stakes games but that really has not been my experience whatsoever. In most cases I have encountered; there were actually more quality players at say a sit&go single table tourney of $20 buy in ; than in the $100 buy in category. IMHO.
@bb1webs]for example a couple of weeks ago I cashed out $2k at party, and this week I’ve not even managed to break even.[/QUOTE wrote:
That seems to be a common phenomena at Party Poker – “Cash Out Blues” … try opening a new account – you will once again start winning. Skeptical? Try it before you doubt it.
Hi again,
no, its an older account. I’ve never done great at PP until I started sticking to the single table no limit tournaments, so I know what you mean…
But ever since I began playing them I have done well until just this recent past; which like I said may be due to just catching a bad streak but it also makes perfect sense if I’ve been playing in games which are in truth; being fought only between myself; perhaps another straggler or two; and then someone who is seeing 5, 6, or 7of the 10 hands dealt out.
If thats the case then unless you’re really lucky, you’re going to lose. That person just has too many offensive positions for you to be able to stay in the game and have any true chance at winning.
Consider how many times you see an inferior hand win an all-in shoot out between 2 or 3 players. Now imagine having the resources to call someone’s all in without ever really being at risk of being out of the game – since you’d have 4, 5 or even 6 more chances at catching a winning hand; (against an all in).
there’s really not even any sport to it if the cheater is any good whatsoever at playing poker, they are going to win a high % of the time regardless of how good their opponents may be. (IMHO).
i gotta comment on this
i was talking with the guy who invented the poker-bot, and even sampled it myself
honestly, it is a complicated program to run, you have to program it how to play every hand and flop pattern, so it would basically play each hand exactly as you would, the advantage is that you wouldn’t have to sit at your computer.
i got rid of my bot because i actually enjoy playing poker, as far as playing multiple tables go, i imagine the poker room would track you by your ip addressthere is a much more serious threat than bots and collusion at the poker table
1-a group of poker playing computer programmers had infiltrated a poker rooms(partypoker) random number generator, by doing so they were able to know what cards were coming on the turn and river and what seat would win the pot, from only seeing the flop they would have this info in a matter of seconds.
(i think it was party poker, not sure, but it was a big room)2-whenever you download a poker room, a special “remote” exe file comes with the software, this enables you to play live poker and connect to the poker rooms server.
A hacker or other poker player can access that “remote” file in your computer, by using a special remote tool located on theirs, this allows them to login to your server basically, and view your monitor from their computer without your knowledge, so they can open a screen on their computer and follow you around wherever you surf, so you might be playing poker against someone who can see your cards, or possibly everyone elses.
This has happened at Prima Poker rooms previously, the guilty party/parties were from Sweden if i remember correctly, Prima itself is a Swedish based software providernick777 wrote:1-a group of poker playing computer programmers had infiltrated a poker rooms(partypoker) random number generator, by doing so they were able to know what cards were coming on the turn and river and what seat would win the pot, from only seeing the flop they would have this info in a matter of seconds.
(i think it was party poker, not sure, but it was a big room)It was Planet Poker, not Party Poker.
