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Uh, I dont think this helps our case…. It feeds into the “internet is dangerous for minors” fire and brimstone arguments currently being shoveled down the throats of the american public.
It is kinda funny though…
:turkey:The problem isn’t juvenile gambling, it is unfettered juvenile access to the internet.
Lots and oodles or problems with that, and gambling is the least of it.
Professor wrote:Uh, I dont think this helps our case…. It feeds into the “internet is dangerous for minors” fire and brimstone arguments currently being shoveled down the throats of the american public.It is kinda funny though…
:turkey:Why don’t you think this helps the internet gambling case Professor?
The sheer outragousness of this example shows that you cannot protect all of the people all of the time from doing something stupid.
What this underlines is the need for better protections on player verification and payment methods – and with that in place then the spectre of underage gambling can be reduced or even eliminated.
Also given the “addictive nature” of online auctions – and the fact that it involves payment I think that it would actually be extrememly advantagous to link online gambling to something mainstream as online auctions.
Let’s face it we all know at least 1 or 2 friends who are not gamblers who love thier auction sites – and by enlisting their eyes and ears to understand that what they do is not really very different from what we do.
:dajudge:I’d promote the fact that the internet is simply vehicle for communication – just like a phone call or a letter – and that online payments are a growing fact of life.
Get the security right.
Get the payment validation right.
And then let people have some Freedom of choice for their interests.Playing a hand of poker or blackjack …
Or buying a collection of pink plastic flamengos at a great price …
What’s the difference …(If you get my drift)
:hattip:Paul the main difference is you live in a civilized nation where hopefully the majority of people would see the absurdity of the situation. Obviously you do.
Unfortunately I dont have the same faith in my countrymen and certainly not in our politicians.While some of it is their own damned fault for being apathetic and satisified with whatever the government spoon feeds them without even bothering to think things through or do even a tiny bit of research. The remainder is a result of our system of things whereby, for the average american, there is simply NO TIME to read or research anything. Most are consumed with merely keeping their heads above water financially and the media here is tightly controlled by far right wing special interests so they don’t see or hear anything resembling the truth from the traditional news outlets.
It’s hard to imagine when you are in a more enlightened society, but those are the cards being dealt to the American public. And I can promise you the Rush Limbaughs and Michael Savages of our airwaves would eat up this type of story and use it as an example of why the internet SHOULD be strictly regulated for ALL content.
THanks for the follow up Prof.
Perhaps it’s because here in New Zealand one of our most popular local sites is a site called TradeMe (a local online auction site – a poor mans ebay) where people sell al sorts of knick-knacks and items.
(see http://www.trademe.co.nz)
This site is so popular that it’s blamed for some productiveity issues as workplaces -and is now frequently banned from some corporate internet browsers because people were checking on it 20-30 times a day.
:laughing:They recently sold out to a big corporate Australian news conglomate (who will use it as an online advertising / classfieds arm) for the staggering price of NZ$700m (about USD$400m) and the main players we local boys and girls around my city here in Wellington.
It hit the headlines (of course) – no-one sees it as evil – in fact it’s seen as a great example of entrapenuership.
sigh.gifSo over here aligning with online auctions could only make things more positive.
:la-de-da:It’s much easier for a kid to spend lots of money on auction sites (just have to bid), than to gamble. Download the software, go to cashier, fill credit card info, and play.
It’s also pretty easy, but if we forbid anything that a child can do, we have to forbid everything, starting with social sites, where they can do worse things.It’s funny how these wing-nuts love to talk about family values but are too lazy to raise their own kids so they have to make laws to protect our kids from stuff WE should be protecting them from.
Quote:What this underlines is the need for better protections on player verification and payment methods – and with that in place then the spectre of underage gambling can be reduced or even eliminated.Sounds to me like you’ve bought into some idea that an underage gambling problem exists. What makes you think this?
I’ve never seen any evidence of it, and have never heard of anyone presenting any evidence of it. Much like terrorists using gambling…
I’m not saying there aren’t some underage kids gambling… I’m sure there are plenty who bet with friends or underage bookies, but I bet there are not many that do it online. Besides… if you make your own money use your own credit card and spend your own money, I might be inclined to call you an adult.
Underage gambling is a made up problem, IMO. It’s hard to fix a made up problem. You won’t saitisfy the people making them up.
One of the most developed countries and one of the countries with the most absurd stories and contradictions I ever heard. Sorry folks saying this. I never heard stories of a child using the parents credit card to buy things, online or offline (in my country).
Internet is an instrument that shorten all the distances between countries, is the largest source of information, it’s a way of getting things that otherwise weren’t possible, a way of developing faster the knowledge, an approximation of the World. Internet isn’t dangerous by itself. What is dangerous is people that don’t have brains to use it, parents that don’t dedicate sufficient time to childs, people that want things open up front without any research.
A more educated people is the answer, is the cure. Banning websites, limiting information, or any other kind of limit on freedom is like using a painkiller when we have pain. It relieves the pain, not the cause.
I never was in the US but I have stories of friends that horrified me. A friend of mine bought a pack of beers and went to a party. In the meantime, when walking he opened one beer and 2 police cars stop him. He felt like a criminal and was fined by drinking on the street(well he didn’t know because he’s absolutely free to drink a beer on the street in his home country). By other side anyone can go to a “grossery store” and by a gun.
He also went to a bar/disco and asked for a beer. The waitress said: Sorry, sir, we don’t serve any alchoolic drinks after midnight. When he came home, he said me: you know, people in the US thinks that a mix of alchool and guns is very dangerous, so, he ban alchool.
Oneguy2nv wrote:Sounds to me like you’ve bought into some idea that an underage gambling problem exists. What makes you think this?I’ve never seen any evidence of it, and have never heard of anyone presenting any evidence of it.
1) I haven’t bought into anything. but it’s a often touted statement that you have to combat.
The best way to do this is to show secure financial controls.
2) Where do you look for evidence?
In my experience at poker rooms based on the skills, temperment, and “chat” of many poker players I’d say that many of them would be under 20 – and some appear to be a lot younger than that.
Take a look at the chat sections at places like Hollywood poker – CAnbet poker (etc) and many would still appear to be gonig to high school given the inane level of conversation.
Of course they may all be freerollers – in which case they’re not gambling for money.
:hehe:Casino gambling is less social – no I have no anecdotal evidence there.
Sports gambling does have plenty of forums (mine is one) and again I am aware of several “younger” players who would not yet appear to be actually working for a living yet – and would probably be “underage”.
TheGooner wrote:1) I haven’t bought into anything. but it’s a often touted statement that you have to combat.Maybe my comment came off a little abrasive. I didn’t mean it to be, and I’m sorry if that was the case. It is a little irritating that people invent problems in order to further their own agendas.
TheGooner wrote:Take a look at the chat sections at places like Hollywood poker – CAnbet poker (etc) and many would still appear to be gonig to high school given the inane level of conversation.Yeah… but the internet is full of idiots that don’t bother to spell, fix typos, etc. It’s not limited to gamblers… it’s everywhere. I usually try not to judge people for that unless they are being critical of others for it. Some of the smartest people I know have trouble spelling their own names.
Online poker players, I will agree, are a notoriously whiny and immature bunch. Being an ass doesn’t seem to tell me one’s age in that area… just tells me that they’re an ass.
TheGooner wrote:Sports gambling does have plenty of forums (mine is one) and again I am aware of several “younger” players who would not yet appear to be actually working for a living yet – and would probably be “underage”.I know that there are people younger than X age that gamble. Good, bad… I don’t know. I just don’t think it’s an issue that needs to be called a “problem” and I’m convinced that there aren’t rules or laws that can be applied to every adult in the world that would have an effect on it – even if it were a problem.
I’m also not trying to say that it couldn’t be a problem for a particular person… I’m sure it could be. It’s just not a problem (IMO) from a societal view. If you have a 12 year old kid that takes calculated risks and puts his money at risk by investing in stocks, then people smile and clap. It’s not far off from matching up sports teams, besides the time horizon involved.
That brings me to another point… It’s a shame that anti-gambling people seem to lump everything together. There are big differences between betting on random things like the lottery and slots, compared with things like poker that require skill. Not to mention, betting on your own attibutes is generally accepted and legal around the world. We can run a footrace and bet on it. Probably not a wise choice by me, but there won’t be a bunch of people trying to stop it.
What personaly gets me is how many kids would wanna gamble when they can look at porn instead lmao!
When you say underage, you mean 21 or 18? I never know. Where I live is 18, but it’s different in other countries.
Well, I never seen anyone under 18, but I guess they can fake that. But would they? When I see their info, I see lots with 18, 19 or 20, but never below that.Dominique wrote:The problem isn’t juvenile gambling, it is unfettered juvenile access to the internet.Lots and oodles or problems with that, and gambling is the least of it.
I have to agree with this. In order for a minor to gamble they would have to have money and I’d bet (no pun intended) they got it from daddy’s big fat wallet. Parents are not monitoring their kids activities anymore, their wallets are. Just had to vent.:satisfied
