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In a way I am glad this s#!t came up again.
I thought everyone had long figured out what happened back then – and I see now there are still people running around with weird notions about me in their head.
You can verify what happened with Cedrik, who now works with Gaming Income and who made the deal with Casino Coins for me just as he was leaving them.
You can also verify that it was a setup. I did something in Montreal that really irked Cindy – she wanted to be part of it and I did it without her. She figured I had no right to do it without her – I figured I can meet with whomever I care to with or without her present. I don’t subordinate well. Never have. I am way too headstrong.
From that point on she started sniping at me – in little posts here and there – putting things in the heads of the membership. She never pursued anything, knowing it wouldn’t stand up as long as I was there to correct facts. It started right after Montreal, before that all exchanges between us were always supportive. You can verify that at GPWA if you care to wade through that old stuff.
Some people contacted me at this point (you know who you are and thanks again and you were right and I was wrong) to tell me I was being set up. I didn’t believe it, I thought Cindy and I had a real friendship going there. We all see just what we want to see at times.
Cindy took her time to try to find something to use to get me out, something that she figured would get me out of the industry too.
I guess the turnout for the “discussions” that went on after my lockout is somewhat flattering. At the time I was just too shocked – I just wanted the whole thing to go away and be done with. Things dragged on, and finally a new vote to vote me out was started since the old one wasn’t getting anywhere. No one was to comment anymore. This also meant that no one knew how anyone else finally did vote. Odd was the very high number of votes – I guess she kept having to enter votes against me from the admin panel to offset the ones being cast in my favor to make it come out a landslide against me. No one even wondered how there could be more votes than there had been active members…Oh well.
Also odd was the letter to managers – issued within 3 minutes of the closing of the vote, well written and outlining that I was the one who had comitted criminal offenses. Not charging for a liaison – criminal conduct. Of course this was a problem legally – so the soon to follow official news release never showed my name. Even the URL where it was posted originally had “dom” as part of it – it was changed asap when someone (me) pointed it out publicly. Otherwise I could have sued so easily….
I still could have sued, and still can, especially a person who has recently started posting here for all kinds of accusations lobbed at me at wol. But I figure to let it go. Take the high road.
When just the expulsion didn’t make me curl up in a corner and die, the public attacks started, and certain parties were banned at the major boards because of it. So they threw all the dirt they could from another board, one that encouraged such things. For months I was the main subject of posts there – while the content isn’t flattering, it is funny and I suppose a bit flattering too. So much about me to keep so many people busy posting for such a long time. :hehe:
So I have long put this behind me, I have forgiven all including Cindy. And yet here it raises it’s ugly head again – I guess it succeeded in planting things about me in people’s heads.
I hope it is all cleared up now, once and for all.
This is the very last time I am addressing this subject. It is dead and gone as far as I am concerned, and nothing bad has come of it. I will not post anymore on the topic.
Merry Christmas!
thanks Dom,
It totally brings me up to speed. You must understand there was so much BS going on over there at the time that there was no way I was going to wade thru it all.
It was however very hard not to read the headlines and of course, as you said, the insinuations.
You have taken time to write to me, and now I will also take time to explain myself (in further detail, as I seem to be being misunderstood)
I swear to you that it was as I understood it from what I read; and this one area I did try to keep up on; was my understanding that what was charged was true.
Dom, I respect you more now than ever simply for the fact that you’ve stuck up for Focal when you DIDN’T have anything on the side with them. That was my point of this post.
I never challenged what I was lead to think to be true simply because … lets face it: why on earth would anybody otherwise stick up for this program because it truly does suck from an affs pov; and I say that not just from my own opinion, but rather from the majority of my peers to whom I’ve asked. You’re own addmission that you too are not happy with them only adds fuel to that fire; so I’ll let that part go summing it up as we are agreed on the part about the fact that they are disappointing
Now an explanation to you.
If it seems like I’ve picked on Focal more than any others, it is simply because I feel the surest about what I say. In other words, when I decided that I thought golden star sucked, (and this after giving them, or anybody I decide to try, the better spots on my sites as a fair go at things)…
well I took them off my sites and I feel I was and still am vocal about their poor production.
but perhaps not as much as Focal but only because it either hasn’t come up as much lately, or in the case of some programs because I know I gave them a “one shot try – meaning about 6 months – and quit on them”
so I felt I had less right to bitch about them.
It isn’t hard for me to judge a program because I am basically nothing more than a middle man. One so poor at his ability to design a pleasant site that I make up for it by being a bulldog for my players and even to the point of guaranteeing their deposits (a small amount) as an effort to prove I deserve my surfer’s loyalty.
but basically aside from that; all I am is a guy that sets up his t-shirt business from the back of a truck while parked next to some of the nicest stores in the world.
I’m realistic. to quote Dirty Harry “a man’s got to know his limitations”.
I know mine.
I’m sincere, I can write. but I ain’t no picaso at websites.
so my point is; is that basically I just lay the product out on a plain table with no frills. My surfers will buy the product regardless of how it looks in its package because they are trusting me, not the product.
If I say its good, then it better be good.
otherwise I’m dead in the water. I’m sure of that as I’m sure the sun will rise tomorrow.
So when I give such heart felt reviews, and in the case of Focal more than any other property if you were to use the equation of
time promoted + heart-spoken reviews (and chats with fellow poker players – something I did so much of; that it got my chat turned off at the Prima Poker room), I just liked the poker room that much
I could go on and on but I think you get my point.
If I’m most adamant about this program, its because I have most reason to be adamant about it.
btw, don’t think I haven’t addressed all this with the people at Focal at some time or another.
I am most adamant simply because I should be most about them.
now about speaking out against a program. It was my understanding that we’re here to help keep each other from getting it worse than we already would have.
Instead of being like you see the competitors of many other niches will do; and that being, “ha ha, so and so is got ol’ never-makes-a-profit in their best spots…. they’ll learn”.
speaking out against a program that you are already done and thru with; such as I am in this case with Focal; only insures that AT THE VERY LEAST; somebody has to prosper to speak up in a program’s defense.
It sure as heck doesn’t do me any favors what so ever.
If you wanted to get down to it. the old timers who know what’s going on are the ones that benefit when the newbies go running to unprofitable programs.
We’ve paid our dues. right?
well that’s how it comes across sometimes from my pov.
I think a program that earns a bad rep deserves to earn a good rep in the same way they got the bad one. Proving it one aff at a time.
Believe me, I’m in no hurry to look stupid…er than usual. I’m not about to go around parading that “Microgaming casinos suck! they won’t make you any money!” …. even if that was true with me.
Why? because I know a majority of you make money with them. I would look at myself and not elsewhere, as to why I couldn’t make money with a program everybody else was making money.
And the same is true in Focal’s situation. Even if I never promote them again, do you think I’d run around yelling they suck if 10 of you were crying how rich you were getting with them?
I have one agenda while trying to keep my integrity. To make money. I’d kiss a hog’s ass for the right price but ONLY if its understood that I was doing so knowingly. Not that I’d been fooled into it.
So if I was fooled into it; unknowingly… and I then stand up to warn the others behind me, it sure ain’t because I want a shorter line for a second turn at kissing that hog’s ass, now is it?
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thanks for setting me straight on the other stuff. believe it or not I never listened to the gossip but as I said it was hard not to see and be a part of at least some it. At least give me credit for admitting when I’m wrong. That’s the best I can do or offer.
I am sorry to have made you bring up bad feelings from long ago.
Merry Christmas to you too Dear.
The fact that you or I are not currently doing well with any program has nothing at all to do with the ability of others to do so.
Some programs do better with certain types of traffic than others.
I did fine with Focal for a while. I have 60% repeat traffic on Games and Casino. My visitors come by over and over and over again – literally for years. This is both good and bad.
When my server was hacked earlier in the year and I had to redo most everything, I stopped all advertising while I was recovering data and doing a complete redesign. It is quite a large site to completely redo. The site became pretty much all repeat visitors. They got sick of looking at the Sands, and the ones who wanted to click at it had long done so. Focal wasn’t producing anymore. I needed to rotate more. I am now making money with places I never could before. I have decided that because of the type of traffic I have, I need to move programs around a lot more frequently. They all poop out when my players have seen them for some time.
This will change as I am going to get new traffic in the new year, but for several months now the traffic has been only repeat visitors, browser type ins from branding done for years, and some haphazard SEO traffic. When I start with my plans for the new year, I will likely include Focal in them again, even though I am peeved at them. Why? Because I believe in their honesty and because they can likely perform for me again.
Personal feelings should have nothing to do with marketing. Opinions about how programs work for you need to be updated all the time, or our business becomes as stale as our opinions.
well I feel you hardly addressed anything I have said. but as you are; so am I tired of this subject. Like I said before, I have absolutely nothing to gain by stating my opinion of Focal.
Personally I could list a long bunch of names that I am interested in what they have to say about a program every time, even if its the same thing. To me, that simply means there is nothing new to say about them.
Focal didn’t get where it’s at today without its own doing. I still cannot for the life of me figure out why you’re so adamant about a program that you yourself said you weren’t happy with; although this last post you did offer explanation as to why you were unhappy.
Everything you say totally contradicts other previous posts you have made about how it is our job to present the surfer. That we cannot be responsible for what happens after that.
I have been as transparent as possible about this whole matter, including giving you access to my stats. if they only go back 1 year that’s not my fault, I assure you I have been with them since my earliest days, and the stats have never looked any better than the ones you observed.
Frankly I don’t see a way to win this one, at least with you Dom. I respect your right to your opinion and at this point am tired of the arguement.
anybody who wants to promote Focal please do. But I feel confident to say that come talk to me a year from now and tell me I was wrong and I’ll gladly post as such.
But keep in mind the whole time I am making that post, i’ll be thinking that whoever is asking me to make that post; should be thanking me.
Does it not cross anybody’s mind that if there is truly “selective shaving” as many people here think; that its just quite possible the reason the few people who DO well with a program which is thought by the majority to be suspect; that they may just be enjoying that success due to the fact that if not for somebody speaking up and saying, “hey something ain’t right here”…
That perhaps the curve wouldn’t be near as generous as it is?
Personally I wish I had two or three people that were unhappy with my best sponsors at all times. I’ll gladly stand up for them, WITH STATS TO BACK UP MY CLAIMS; all the while being thankful there is somebody who is keeping the pressure on these programs to continue to DO THE RIGHT THING.
So before being so quick to condemn my ways, please remember there is more than one way to skin a cat.
The best way is if you can achieve that goal without ever putting yourself at risk.
I have nothing to lose with Focal. We passed the point of my worrying about that a long time ago.
Focal surely isn’t going to penalize someone else for something I said. That wouldn’t even make sense to the worst of unethical methods of business.
But what i say WILL surely keep the light on them to do right by others.
Now I’m tired of all this. I have explained myself thouroughly (I feel) and I think I in the worst of case scenarios; not done any kind of injustice to any of my peers. which is my concern.
When I made a post a while back about being sincere about my gratitude towards others here and the fact that I had little way of returning those favors. I meant it. This just may be a small way I can perhaps get a little better treatment for those I owe, without it costing me anything, nor them. (other than my time, which I never dreamed would have spilled over to this extent)
There just isn’t any damn plausible reason I would waste as much time as I have already on this subject; if you look at it from what I have to gain?
I give up.
Now I’m tired of all this.
Good. I feel the same way. We have a substantially different opinon about this program and it likely will never change – you haven’t checked them out in over a year and stated yourself you are unlikely to ever again – I will continue to follow the money and put them up and take them down according to how they perform for me at the time.
Now for gooddness sake let’s give this a rest. We’ve been going around with it back 2 1/2 years ago, in the same fashion, as I remember it. Back at GPWA. I can’t tell you how tired I am of it. It completely contaminates our relationship – and that should never happen.
Have a merry Christmas Steve!
